Thoughts? m.nzherald.co.nz/league/news/art ... 80&ref=rss St Helens have hit back with a strong statement! www.saintsrlfc.com/news/page/5791

Thoughts? m.nzherald.co.nz/league/news/art ... 80&ref=rss St Helens have hit back with a strong statement! www.saintsrlfc.com/news/page/5791

Without even needing to read it, I'm with lance it was saints fault. Especially Jon Wilkin he's an awful person and pundit.

my thoughts are, why is a wigan fan posting this in a warrington forum.

Blimey! This might go on and on...

He goes on like he was the innocent party, truth is HE started something and Flower finished it, regardless of what you think of the incident.

I think Flower started it in back play with a shove off the ball, then Hohaia gave him a crack on the run for that, then Flower finished it.

That's bang on to be fair. It was poor from flower and he was punished. Without that sending off lance would not have the winners ring that he has. Fairly certain he was trying to create a reaction even if the reaction was probably more than he had hoped to get.

Flower gave him a bump, gamesmanship, Hohaia then looked to take the law into his own hands...halfback versus possibly Wigans biggest strongest player??
Brave/daft dunno but certainly within his control.

Regardless of who started the niggles, Flowers' actions were indefensible and thuggish.

I wonder what effect this will have on the current team - maybe none, maybe a little unsettling.

I don't think anyone here is trying to defend Flower. What he did was indefensible, but that doesn't mean it was unexplainable. What Hohia did was also indefensible and deserving of a red and a ban in itself; something that was totally forgotten, apparently forever, 5 seconds later.

i would say no effect at all.
Where the damage could be done is in the recruitment of overseas players who may have only heard one side to the story. This fallout could affect all SL clubs who may get unfairly tarnished.

That is an excellent point and the one person who hasn't been mentioned who is really to blame is the man who wound up his troops so much they went way over the top. That season they got away with so many indiscretions beyond what others got that by the time of the Grand Final he thought they were invincible. Shaun Wane only cares for his club not for the whole game. The fall out of this is the detriment to the whole of Super League which is already on the decline. Well done you Shaun you must be proud of yourself.

Think some need to watch it back. A kick goes up from Wigan and as Hohaia is chasing it back Flower comes through with a stiff arm across the back of his head which knocks Lance to the ground. Obviously not letting the git get away with it, he comes back and cracks him after Flower has just bombed a try and visibly pee'd off. Getting smacked by Lance only winds Flower up further, keep in mind they are now square at this point. Flower knocks him out anyway which is further than it needed to go there but still all part and parcel sometimes. It's when he stands over him and shoves his fist straight into the face of an unconscious person that it becomes reprehensible and Lance has a right to take that further.

I'm not defending the incident but Flower cracks him once, the 2nd hit Flower has no idea he's knocked out, in slow motion it looks bad in real time the brain simply wouldn't comprehend it that quickly, especially a big daft lad.

The 2nd hit, he realised "job done" so to speak and stopped.

It's not as if he started his MMA training and did a proper ground and pound on him until someone knocked him off.

You're right. I thought it was a push from Flower in back play, but he visibly swings round Hohia's head. Still, Hohia's retaliation was heavy.