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Completely dropped from the England squad and overlooked by McNamara.

Cant say its undeserved. What has happened to him this year?

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We've ruined him.......or should I say Agar has......

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He will be back in next year with only showing his true talent back end of the season he probably only just missed out.

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I'm glad

a) he gets a full post season's rest, which we will benefit from
b) he's not been good/consistent enough to warrant an International jersey. I hate it when out of form players in any sport are picked on reputation, when they're out of form

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Clarkey has one poor season and is dropped, yet that NRL failure Tomkins waltzes into the squad without a care in the world. McNamara is clueless. He's chosen two specialist centres in that team, so you know that players are going to be played out of position.

The sooner he nobs off and England get someone in who will pick players in the right position and pick players based on form and not reputation, the sooner England might actually get somwhere in the international game.

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Got to agree with Lefty a break from the game with a uninterrupted preseason will as said earlier beneifit both Clark and club, must admit I'm more surprised with the selection of Benny.

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I can only see three props in that squad which doesn't provide cover for injuries or interchanges...unless the plan is to use Ben as a prop.

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He's had a good season. Been our second best player. But we've not played well as a team and our ptbs can be painfully slow so his most dangerous play with quick scoots from dummy half have been far less impactive.

I think his defence has been exceptionally good and his passing has continued to improve, past what he's been able to produce in his career so far as he's had to do more of it with us (with the less scooting).

I think people just look out for his dummy half runs though and with them being fewer in number people just think "oh Clark's well gone off the boil", when he really hasn't.

He's had a good season for us. Probably our second best player.

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Quote: silver2 "I can only see three props in that squad which doesn't provide cover for injuries or interchanges...unless the plan is to use Ben as a prop.'"


The forwards do look a little short on numbers, I would think Mac would start with Graham/Hill Roby or Hodgson back three Farrell, Whitehead, O'Loughlin, Bench Hodgson or Roby, Cooper, T Burgess, Ferres, I think on this seasons form Ferres is over Westwood that would leave Currie.

Currie is in good form and this will be a great experience for him, Farrell and whitehead will have seniority but any injuries he will probably get a deserved chance as will Benny.

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He's not completely dropped because of form. Clark has been omitted because he is to have the operation that's hasn't been a secret all season!

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Clark is injured and has been to see specialists several times this season.

That is why he isn't selected.

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I had heard Clark was carrying a injury but he was not on Tony Smiths list for surgery, so hopefully nothing too serious just time and treatment.

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Clark has had poor support from a very average pack this year. Asotasi played 5 minutes a half, Harrison lost his pre-season training and needs three operations, England has just not performed as hoped, Evans picked up a season ending injury, Simms has great heart but not the bulk to make yardage at prop, Westwood has been a rock but he is now 35 and showing his age, Woody disappeared before the season started, Currie has been very good in attack but is half back-half forward and lacks the grunt of e.g. a Bateman. So we have lacked go-forward for most of the season and Hill has been outstanding in carrying the the forward drive - playing in all 34 of our matches and giving 110%. With such a poor forward attack Clark has been living off crumbs. He needs a forward to break the line or get up a little faster in the tackle, anything to pull the defence a little out of shape and leave defenders a yard or so out of position so he can make a break. Think back to when we had Monas playing for us - how many times did he run directly at an (out of position) off side forward for a penalty ? For virtually all season the opposition defence have not only been set, they have had time for a cup of tea and a butty before we have played the ball. And when Dwyer has been on the pitch, Clark has also been playing minutes as well - as an extra forward.

Clark has taken time to settle. But I think next year will be a fair test of what he is capable of, providing of course we have sorted out the pack and can mix it with the likes of Saints and Wigan.

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Quote: Winslade's Offload "Clark has had poor support from a very average pack this year. Asotasi played 5 minutes a half, Harrison lost his pre-season training and needs three operations, England has just not performed as hoped, Evans picked up a season ending injury, Simms has great heart but not the bulk to make yardage at prop, Westwood has been a rock but he is now 35 and showing his age, Woody disappeared before the season started, Currie has been very good in attack but is half back-half forward and lacks the grunt of e.g. a Bateman. So we have lacked go-forward for most of the season and Hill has been outstanding in carrying the the forward drive - playing in all 34 of our matches and giving 110%. With such a poor forward attack Clark has been living off crumbs. He needs a forward to break the line or get up a little faster in the tackle, anything to pull the defence a little out of shape and leave defenders a yard or so out of position so he can make a break. Think back to when we had Monas playing for us - how many times did he run directly at an (out of position) off side forward for a penalty ? For virtually all season the opposition defence have not only been set, they have had time for a cup of tea and a butty before we have played the ball. And when Dwyer has been on the pitch, Clark has also been playing minutes as well - as an extra forward.

Clark has taken time to settle. But I think next year will be a fair test of what he is capable of, providing of course we have sorted out the pack and can mix it with the likes of Saints and Wigan.'"


great post.. easy to see why our pack has been so under par this season really when its infront of you in black and white... We should be a totally different proposition next season.

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Quote: Winslade's Offload "Clark has had poor support from a very average pack this year. Asotasi played 5 minutes a half, Harrison lost his pre-season training and needs three operations, England has just not performed as hoped, Evans picked up a season ending injury, Simms has great heart but not the bulk to make yardage at prop, Westwood has been a rock but he is now 35 and showing his age, Woody disappeared before the season started, Currie has been very good in attack but is half back-half forward and lacks the grunt of e.g. a Bateman. So we have lacked go-forward for most of the season and Hill has been outstanding in carrying the the forward drive - playing in all 34 of our matches and giving 110%. With such a poor forward attack Clark has been living off crumbs. He needs a forward to break the line or get up a little faster in the tackle, anything to pull the defence a little out of shape and leave defenders a yard or so out of position so he can make a break. Think back to when we had Monas playing for us - how many times did he run directly at an (out of position) off side forward for a penalty ? For virtually all season the opposition defence have not only been set, they have had time for a cup of tea and a butty before we have played the ball. And when Dwyer has been on the pitch, Clark has also been playing minutes as well - as an extra forward.

Clark has taken time to settle. But I think next year will be a fair test of what he is capable of, providing of course we have sorted out the pack and can mix it with the likes of Saints and Wigan.'"


I can't give you an argument w/o, whenever I blame the pack I get it from all angles differing.

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