1 Ratchford - OK
2 Joel - OK
3 Bridge - Never good enough
4 Atkins - Bath?
5 Riley - adequate
6 Lee - 1 more year?
7 Myler - OK
8 Morley - Gone
9 Higham/Monas OK but for how long?
10 Carvell - Gone
11 Trent - OK
12 Ben - OK
13 Harrison - OK
14 Hodgey - Gone
15 Cooper - Gone
16 Higham/Monas see above
17 Hill - OK
18 Wood - 1 more year
etc

Cheque Book out - Kirmond etc etc - Views Gentlemen.

Lymm Restauranteurs v upset - very quiet in the village when boom time expected.

Que?

Ratchford
Joel
Bridge
Atkins
Riley
Briers
Myler
Hill
Higham
Wood
Waterhouse
Westwood
Grix

Harrison
Asotasi
Monaghan
Currie

Starting 17 we're fine, it's beyond that that we now become weaker. Injuries to backs and we have Evans, O'Brien, and Penny to come in. Injuries to front row we have Riley, Bridge, Laithwaite and I can't think of more, unless we sign that England guy from the lower league. BJB is apparently coming in, if so that helps a little but we're definitely light on depth next year.

Personally i'd like 2 new centres and move atkins onto the wing

Riley isn't good enough, that's a simple fact

Can't we wallow in self-pity for a bit longer before we start to pull the 2014 squad to pieces?

Come off it. He saved 3 tries tonight in defence when Atkins had left him in a two on one situation. He scores more than enough tries during a season. His defence is suspect yes, but he's been with us 8 years, he must be doing something right.

+1

Yes its the end of Tony Smith's "first team" that he won those trophies from 2009 to 2012 with, clubs have to reassemble teams like Ferguson did at United, he probably had three distinct teams in different eras.

We might drop down in standard in the next year or two (the big drop will be when Briers leaves) but we knew this before anyway. Obviously the night after a Grand Final loss we will look through it with a more negative lens whereas had we won tonight the posts would have been listing the names of various Academy players saying this would be the spine of our team for the next five years, the future's bright the future's Wire.

I reckon we will be around 4th / 5th next year but still a threat in the playoffs and Grand Final. That was my prediction last year for Wigan with the end of an era with Finch, Leuluai, Carmont and Lima all leaving and unfortunately it turned out to be truer than I hoped.

Briers had your pants down when you gave him a new contract.

Totally anonymous when Wigan started to wake up.

And came up with the key plays when we were on top. I didn't see Blake Green much when Wigan were defending; maybe they should get rid of him.

Knew it wouldn't be long before Riley gets burnt on here.

I've already been the first to say it.
Smith dropped a bigger bollox than Woodie last season.
Not having Hodgson or another back at least, caught us out.
Ratchford ought to have been on the bench.

Give it a rest, banging that drum - having four forwards on the bench is for the most part standard practice for every coach and team, especially at the top level. It's the forwards that are rotated, not backs. If a back should be injured, a versatile pack player such as loose or second row slides into the backs as cover and one reshuffles. Are we REALLY having to have this conversation? Have you never seen a Tony Smith line up before, or one of any other number of Super League teams for that matter??

That was dumb luck last night, not bad tactics. It's a gamble to not have a back on the bench, one that pays off 99% of the time. Here ends the lesson. Try not to bring this up again, there's a good chap. Stick to posting ridiculous rumours that you've conjured out of your hiney.

you say dumb luck! No such thing as luck, dumb yes. You make your own scenario of what we deem as luck.

contradiction in the highest.

Dumb can be a action or decision that effects an outcome.

Bad tactic is then in order.

be a good chap and stick to not having a clue what your on about.

Pedant-tastic on the dumb luck calling, good catch 3.306640625:5