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| Nah.
Not Haircut 100.
The direction of our club .
Clearly, the scattergun approach of big name NRL signings, and throwing the cheque book at SL players ISN'T working. Our coaching set up isn't fit for purpose. We accept mediocrity, and even in some cases, give them praise (Patton, Jason Clark).
Even at my most overly optimistic, I can't for the life of me, see a GF win in late November. It will be contested by 2 of Leeds, Saints or Wigan. We may even not qualify for the play offs. We're sleepwalking into ANOTHER end of season damp squib. So, when the inevitable DOES happen, it's time for Price, Henderson, Briers et al, to pack their bags. We need a change of direction.
New coaching staff, from top to bottom. We can't go on, repeating ourselves, season after season, expecting a different outcome.
Blood the youngsters. True. Success won't happen overnight, bit there's no gain without pain.
Case in point
Nick Faldo. In the early 80's, he was winning the odd tournament, but he realised he was nowhere near the "top table" of Watson, Ballesteros, etc, so he went away, changed his coach, rebuilt his swing and got mentally tougher. Within 2 years, won a Major, several other tournaments too, and established himself as World No. 1. Several other Majors followed.
We cannot just amble along, thinking all is right with the world, when it clearly isn't. Forgetting the LLS, we've won 1 pot, in the last EIGHT seasons. For Moran and Middleton's outlay, it's not good enough.
Take a punt on our youth. "Superstars" haven't worked.
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| Ian Watson hopefully.
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| Quote: Lord Tony Smith "Ian Watson hopefully.'"
He does like a losing run (there have been many while he's been in charge), but he has "our number", every time
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| Interesting you mention Leeds with Agar in charge. He was vilified here and at Wakey and Hull yet now he's seemingly turned around a Leeds team on the decline to CC finalists and will be top 3 by your reckoning.
Do our problems run deeper than just the head coach?
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| Quote: Philth "Interesting you mention Leeds with Agar in charge. He was vilified here and at Wakey and Hull yet now he's seemingly turned around a Leeds team on the decline to CC finalists and will be top 3 by your reckoning.
Do our problems run deeper than just the head coach?'"
Our problems, are unfortunately, everywhere
As I mentioned, our coaching set up isn't fit for purpose, from top to bottom.
Leeds (despite or indeed because of Agar) have been battle hardened for the last 15 years. They're used to winning trophies. Sinfield has inspired his club for the last 2 decades, and has got players to better themselves. Lee Briers can grow a big beard, and I can't give you a description of Price and Henderson, such is their ordinaryness
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| I don't think we can really judge coaches unless we know how involved they actually are. Anderson and Henderson have both been head coaches of teams that ha e punched above their weight. I'm not sure that's the case with Steve Price. A month ago he was forced in to a dynamic second row of King and currie, in my opinion a good coach would have stuck with that or at least reverted to it if we were chasing a game, our coach has abandoned it in favour of tacklers.
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| I'm ready for a change in the coaching but we need to get it right - some of our regular starting 17 will be past their prime in the next twelve months.
Watson? Much admired atm but is he big fish/small pond scenario?
Powell? Serial moaner, over achieved at Cas, little end result
McDermott? Impressive CV but Leeds fans hated him
Wane? Negative rugby but big on results
And thats it domestically. If we look overseas then it will be short term and becomes as much of a lottery as signing as a "marquee" half-back.
Personally, I think Powell at Cas might be ready for a new challenge and be more viable than Watson. McDermott would probably be tempted. Wane is unlikely to change until after the WC.
All the more reason to start work now - I've said it before, come November Wigan and/or Saints may well be planning a change and you can bet they'll act more quickly than our management team.
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| I forgot Danny Ward at London - wildcard gamble but he might actually be the most realistic of the lot.
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| Quote: morrisseyisawire "I forgot Danny Ward at London - wildcard gamble but he might actually be the most realistic of the lot.'"
I agrer with Leftys general premise tho. I [idon't care[/i how many promising scholarship youngsters we've signed because they won't get a look in under the current regime.
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| Quote: morrisseyisawire "I'm ready for a change in the coaching but we need to get it right - some of our regular starting 17 will be past their prime in the next twelve months.
Watson? Much admired atm but is he big fish/small pond scenario?
Powell? Serial moaner, over achieved at Cas, little end result
McDermott? Impressive CV but Leeds fans hated him
Wane? Negative rugby but big on results
And thats it domestically. If we look overseas then it will be short term and becomes as much of a lottery as signing as a "marquee" half-back.
Personally, I think Powell at Cas might be ready for a new challenge and be more viable than Watson. McDermott would probably be tempted. Wane is unlikely to change until after the WC.
All the more reason to start work now - I've said it before, come November Wigan and/or Saints may well be planning a change and you can bet they'll act more quickly than our management team.'"
I've no gripes with Wane (despite dull RL) or McDermott. They're both serial WINNERS
Watson, as I said previously, does like a losing run. Should he come to us, and we go on a losing run of our own, I doubt if he had the gumption to get us out of one.
Powell. As Frankie Howerd would say. Nay, Nay and thrice Nay.
Once upon a time, we once employed the biggest bottomhole in RL, in Lowes. I don't want the apprentice to that title.
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| Stephen Kearney? ... Coaching enigma, failed NRL coach, very good international coach. Super League somewhere inbetween?
Couldn't be worse than Price for actual style of play?
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| Toronto's fate will be decided the end of this month.
We should be poised with a contract ready if the decision is Toronto are relegated. But hell, I would hope the potential in the squad (and for all the inpet performances of late, the potential is huge) would persuade McDermott to jump ship irrespective of the decison.
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| Quote: Philth "Interesting you mention Leeds with Agar in charge. He was vilified here and at Wakey and Hull yet now he's seemingly turned around a Leeds team on the decline to CC finalists and will be top 3 by your reckoning.
Do our problems run deeper than just the head coach?'"
Without a doubt they do. This club has accepted mediocrity for ten years now and our recruitment has been beyond average. Changing the head coach will improve us but no way will it fix everything. I’d be starting with replacing the CEO who appears to be more bothered about retweets on Twitter than results on the field and whoever is in charge of our dismal recruitment.
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53838_1362327793.jpg And so you aim towards the sky,
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| Quote: Lord Tony Smith "Without a doubt they do. This club has accepted mediocrity for ten years now and our recruitment has been beyond average. Changing the head coach will improve us but no way will it fix everything. I’d be starting with replacing the CEO who appears to be more bothered about retweets on Twitter than results on the field and whoever is in charge of our dismal recruitment.'"
I'm confused.
Many seem to think our squad is decent and our coach is failing to get the best from them. If so, then our recruitment is ok, isn't it?
If it's actually because of 'dismal recruitment' then maybe the coach isn't to blame?
Is it likely that the club is just generally mediocre right through to the core? Recruitment, coaching, mentality - We are just mediocre.
If we want a football analogy, then maybe we need to follow the present Everton strategy - In recent times a club with big investment, but which has been followed by mediocrity and failure (sound familiar?). Now finally, they have fetched in a proven winner as manager and, though it's early in the season, the signs of improvement in both the team and assorted individuals is becoming apparent.
Ultimately, like I said last night, Mr Moran needs to spend his marquee money on his head of recruitment AND a coach. Get those two right and the rest will fall into place.
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| I said it before and I reiterate, spending power is as much a curse as a blessing. Prudence, dilligence and objectivity have been lacking.
For every Chris Hill we've signed an Anthony England
For every Adrian Morley we've signed a Latu
For every Gareth Carbell we've signed an Asotasi
For every Lee Briers we've signed a Tyrone Roberts
For every Trent Waterhouse we've signed a Jason Clark
Every agent in the NRL will have us on speed dial and every washed up, has been, never was, never will be, pension seeking parasite will continue to eye us up with lascivious eyes.
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