No? I thought we had having just read the threads on here....

Smith got to take the responsibility for that....

Clarke not good enough....

Briers "cack"....

Clueless....

We need to win the Grand Final, not a match in April against Catalans (or one against Huddersfield come to that).

Both Bens, Atkins and possibly Louis back next week. King by Easter.

Excellent squad - cover all over the park.

Calm down.

Thank you.

clarke isn't good enough.

Not even the most blinkered clarke fan can think he brings anything to the team anymore.

You seem to be confusing your opinion with a statement of fact, but then you have been drinking...

Cue Clarke's MotM performance v Hudds.

i cant argue with that... the mrs has forced me into the room with the PC in so she can watch last weeks soaps on sky+.... sorry everyone.

still dont think clarke is good enough.... even when sober.

Didn't we have a similar performance against Hull KR, but then got a try with 3 minutes to go and the resulting discussion on here was about how Tony Smith was coaching genius. There was no discussion about the weakness of individual players after that game...

If some Catalan player had made a screw up in the final minute that led to a try from us, we would all be discussing again what a genius Tony Smith was, how the spirit in the side was never say die.

Forget this season and this game, Clarke IS slow at the h/b, he IS readable and always has been.
He's a good defender but never seen much in him when we attack.

sal.. today's game was on a par with Hull KR... we didn't deserve to win both.... we got lucky in one of them... the other we didn't.... just goes to show we aren't the team everyone thinks we are... especially with frontline players missing.....

still better than the last 20 years though im not complaining (much)

remember Huddersfield play off game last season...... charge out.... TRY

glad someone has said it. I was quite shocked with how many ppl walked out without clapping the lads off its the start off the season they need know that we r there for them - we cant win everything although i would love it if we could

if the ball that myler patted back had bounced differently we could all have been on here celebrating 2 points, ffs calm down, half the people on this board seem to be buying into saints and wigan fans saying that our season is shot because we can't beat catalans.

and these days lets be honest you're thinking its 50/50.....

2 trophy's to play for..... and we have already beaten the best other 3 teams (well maybe huddersfield we havent)...

our problem isnt beating the best teams... its beating mediocre when we have players missing and were off the boil.

If we would have finished second last season i think we could have gone on and won the whole shabang.... wigan dont seem to be a problem for smith and the players.....but we didnt get 2nd... maybe fatigue set in with the cup run... maybe we just found our level.

this year is a whole new ball game though... exciting times.

I'm 34 and i have been through all the e.... these days are amazing.

Well 40% is an optimistic estimate, it's probably more like 25-35%. Granted there are two trophies to play for but, in either the Challenge Cup or the later rounds of the playoffs its one slip and you're out so you have to factor in a risk factor for having 'a bad day' or maybe having a run of injuries at the wrong time. Look at say Bradford in 2000 and Leeds in 2005 early season you'd have thought they'd steamroller it but by the end of the year they were not the same team, hit by injuries and so on. But still 25-35% chance of winning a trophy is good enough for me.

I'd be happy if we averaged 2-3 trophies every ten years, taking into account good times and bad times.