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| The Speculator:Wires71:
Yes we are backwards on 2024 in both squad and performances. Our recruitment was nothing short of atrocious for a club that was already provably behind Wigan and Hull KR in 2024. How they thought they would close the gap with those signings beggars belief. Chambers is not inspiring me on the recruitment front even if he is Mr Warrington. (Either he's responsible for new talent acquisition in which he is failing, or it's a puppet appointment which he has accepted).
Also I'm beginning to think that perhaps Sam Burgess is not the messiah we all hoped for. I'm not calling for his exit but neither am I thinking we must extend his contract past October 2026 unless we get a tangible achievement - and I'm not talking about a 4 game cup. Seems the Burgess effect is wearing off. We don't look well coached in 2025. He won't be doing his NRL coaching prospects any good for sure with this output. He is getting surly in front of the camera when interviewed and it starting to wheel out the same phrasing following defeats. Clearly he is not a hugely effective communicator (outwards) and the prestige and aura will only last so long. Then we get the feeling we are not a happy ship. Rumours abound of fall outs, players misbehaving, players we know are dropped for disciplinary reasons etc. Not a recipe for success is it?
I know we are all desperately wishing to see something "click" and us turn into world beaters, but I fear we are deluding ourselves. There is just something in our club that persists decades, coaches and individual players. Call it culture or whatever. Something is missing. Sure we can make playoffs, but then that's your lot. Promise then inevitable failure. Sort of "meh", "there or thereabouts" (it's always "thereabouts" by the way). It's clear to me the players play when they want, and they seem to like the trip to Wembley (easier to win and doesn't require consistent effort over 8 months). They like making noises about Grand Finals but deep down I don't think any one of them either believes they can win one or are committed to do everything and anything it takes to do so.
But that's OK. They owe me nothing, nor me them. They can keep their embarrassing gimmicks, self congratulatory back slaps, banging the drum in the changing room, giddy talk about emulating NFL clubs marketing(!), beatification of mollycoddled players as legends, and employment for all the old boys in comfy jobs. Following all the hype the club perennially, collectively, and conclusively fail when it matters and yet have the gall to look confused as to the reason why and promising "this is not the standard we set". It's exactly the bloody standard we set. We are the also rans, the Tottenham Hotspurs, the Williams F1, the Tim Henman's of this world, plain and simple. What's worse is that the club are in denial. I only keep engaged as the Wire are a link to my late Dad and it reminds me of the time I used to watch them home and away in the 80s and 90s when as a young boy I was proud to be associated with them. I'm not proud anymore. Excellent post, and your point about Sam's surly demeanour is spot on. However frustrated he might be, getting snarky with interviewers helps nobody. Exactly this, and the post you quoted is spot on. His attitude when the BBC mentioned Vegas the other week was petty and juvenile. I do feel the shine is wearing off and we're running out of options. Rumour has it Williams is out for 2 months? If that is the case we are royally stuffed.
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| How far off is Hayes?
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| Have I missed what Oli Leyland is doing now? Is he on loan?
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| Smiffy27:
Have I missed what Oli Leyland is doing now? Is he on loan? He played for the reserves in the game against Hull at the weekend.
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| Wanderer:Smiffy27:
Have I missed what Oli Leyland is doing now? Is he on loan? He played for the reserves in the game against Hull at the weekend. Good. I was concerned he wasn't playing at all.
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| Abe as posted on X saying the club doesn?t know the full extent of the injury yet and that Ratchford is down to play in the halves.
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| karetaker:
Abe as posted on X saying the club doesn?t know the full extent of the injury yet and that Ratchford is down to play in the halves.
Jaysus. We are going to get battered. If I was Leyland I would be asking for a transfer. If he is not getting a game with 2 half-backs out he is not going to.
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| Ratchford in the halves is a scary thought, put Currie in there and Ratchford at centre
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| Leigh always have this uncanny knack of playing out of their skins against us and Saints. Then roll over to Wigan nearly every time. To say i?m not looking foward to this.. especially with Williams out.
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| karetaker:
Abe as posted on X saying the club doesn?t know the full extent of the injury yet and that Ratchford is down to play in the halves.
The back-up plan was always to play Dufty in the halves, but with CTW & Lindops injuries SB's a bit limited. He doesn't want to move Thewlis Snr off the wing. Not sure where that leaves Thewlis Jnr.
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Abe Froman:karetaker:
Abe as posted on X saying the club doesn?t know the full extent of the injury yet and that Ratchford is down to play in the halves.
The back-up plan was always to play Dufty in the halves, but with CTW & Lindops injuries SB's a bit limited. He doesn't want to move Thewlis Snr off the wing. Not sure where that leaves Thewlis Jnr. *If* that is the backup plan then play Dufty in the halves and Ratchford at fullback where he has played hundreds of games. Or, a left field idea, play our newly recruited half back Leyland at stand off - aka next man up. These are 2 more options at least. We had better get a plan and quick as Williams is going to be out for 8-10 weeks according to this. https://www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/sport/wolves/wolvesnews/25094711.warrington-wolves-george-williams-8-10-weeks-injury/
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Abe Froman:karetaker:
Abe as posted on X saying the club doesn?t know the full extent of the injury yet and that Ratchford is down to play in the halves.
The back-up plan was always to play Dufty in the halves, but with CTW & Lindops injuries SB's a bit limited. He doesn't want to move Thewlis Snr off the wing. Not sure where that leaves Thewlis Jnr. *If* that is the backup plan then play Dufty in the halves and Ratchford at fullback where he has played hundreds of games. Or, a left field idea, play our newly recruited half back Leyland at stand off - aka next man up. These are 2 more options at least. We had better get a plan and quick as Williams is going to be out for 8-10 weeks according to this. https://www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/sport/wolves/wolvesnews/25094711.warrington-wolves-george-williams-8-10-weeks-injury/
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