Think he's played 5 games if I'm correct

I've not had a chance to replay the full match but it was clear we were 2nd best in most - if not all - areas.
And again penalties/basic mistakes were a telling factor. Allegedly 9 in the 1st half. You're up against it with that number. It didn't allow us to build pressure as we were more often than not coming out of our own 10.
Ashtons dropped ball led to their first try and Bullocks penalty the 2nd.

Wigan targetted King and his ability to turn quickly - hence the 1st try, but Wigans kick execution was perfect and I think most centres would have struggled against that.

Regarding Wigans' 'drilling' - because they have a great youth pipeline they have had not months, but years, of being drilled. Hence when the likes of Eckersley step up they are - more often than not - ready.

Really frustrating and disappointing as Wigan didn't really have to do THAT much.

I hate to say it but the Wembley experience isn't as good as it used to be. That's nothing to do with the result or the quality of the games.
65k for the day with 2 of the better supported teams but masses of empty seats in the top tier and a fair few elsewhere....... whereas there were 85k at Twickenham for their final. (Can League learn anything??).
I'd really want the CCF to stay at Wembley but it has to be near capacity.

Done the full rewatch, the few things that i saw second time around.
Our initial starts to the halves werent as bad as I thought. The sIn bins were poor decisions.
How much I wished that Tai intercept had stuck.
The 1st Wigun try was onside, brilliant bit of timinig and skill.
Once we went behind we forced it too much and as others had said that rain shower before kick off left the surface greasy didn't realise how many times we slipped.
Not sure Fitzgibbon or Crowther were right for the game Holroyd should have been in.
Kendall really didn't seem to like Matt Dufty.

Scramble and effort was there.

Sick of losing finals to Wigun, but feel we can beat them.

Need a response against Salford , a measured and clinical one not a panicky pressured one.

On Wembley experience I enjoyed most apart from the result,

I think the history etc keep at Wembley and the question of where else for me going to venues sub 70k to make them appear full is crazy.

What we need is a settled date and venue, get it back to being a tradition. Yes GF and magic weekend have diluted things but it's still has some magic for me.

One thing I did find a little funny was how many Wiguners didn't stay to see their team lift the trophy. I always stay to the end but after full time I wanted to be off just didn't expect so many Wiguners on the tube at the same time, if Wire had pulled it off I'd have stayed.

What was frustrating to watch wasn’t how we struggled to contain Field and French, even though they did terrify us whenever they had the ball. What was most concerning was the difference in ruck speed. Even when we found our feet after 60 minutes or so, they were calmer and more efficient in the ruck. We didn’t find a way to speed our play the ball up often enough. When we did though, we found little pockets of room.

We were desperate to get out in front early. On the back of a sin bin, we go wide to Tai and make a break, get in their territory and instead of keeping the ball and making them pay while being down to 12, we give it to the winger, who was never going to score, and turn it over and end up with a yellow ourselves.

That 10 minutes should have seen us bring the ball back to the middle, work the middle over and over and over and over and roll it in the in goal. We took nothing out of their tank, at all, despite losing a starting prop.

It was frustrating to watch. We really needed a momentum shift off the bench, but the subs came on in the wrong order in my opinion. Musgrove didn’t make it on until the second half, Bullock made some decent yards but costs more in penalties, and Crowther is all effort but didn’t do enough to change the momentum.

Wigan played finals rugby, deserved the win. But still, we stayed in the fight.

I think Wire's lack of final experience was a big factor to be honest. Thinking back to Peet's first final against Huddersfield, we had a few players (Bateman, Farrell, Leuluai, Singleton) who had experience of winning big finals but most didn't. We ended up winning, but our performance was less than brilliant and we could've very, very easily lost that game. Had we played a better team than Hudds, we probably would've done.

I think Wire will bounce back pretty well until the end of the season and there's a better than decent chance that the GF will be a rematch. If it is, I'd be amazed if Wire don't turn in a much stronger performance.

One thing that did surprise me a bit was the age of your team though. Obviously it's far away from being an old squad, but I had it in my head that there were more youngsters in there than is actually the case. You'd probably only put Thewlis and Nicholson in that category.

As a team probably the worst they have played, but only 10 points in it. The only positive to take away from it. Wayward passes in silly areas and too many unforced errors. No player goes out there to make errors, just wasn’t Warringtons day, got no complaints about the result. One thing that I did notice was the crossing that wasn’t pulled by Kendall. But hopefully more finals to come.

I'm not encouraged by the score line as I think Wigan took the foot off the gas in attack and defended their lead. They were/are miles better than us. I didn't expect us to win but I thought I would see a good contest in a great atmosphere. I got neither, that is what I am most disappointed about. We are on the path to getting better but until we get an on field influence who can steady the ship when the going gets tough we are always going to struggle.

It was our experienced players who :

1. Passed into touch / passed to Ashton 2 foot above his head.
2. Grubber kicked on 2nd tackle when we were in their 10m.
3. Shot out of the line to nail French and miss.
4. Failed to effect any type of kicking game
5. Gave stupid high tackle penalty away leading to Wigan try.


Without naming them, those players have all been in finals before.

A lot of truth in this mate. Wigan definitely made a conscious decision to defend the lead as could be seen by the substitutions. Taking Mago off at half time and him not returning, especially when he was clearly making inroads into the Wire line, was a statement of intent. Defending a lead is something we've done many times before including last year's Grand Final. This team is very comfortable doing that. It's also worth noting that, although defensively superb, we weren't at our best in attack and probably played the "game in front of us" so to speak.

However, I think Warrington are a better team than they showed on Saturday and will probably offer the biggest threat going forward. Much was made by your guys of being on a journey and I think that's true. Compare and contrast to this time last year. The progress is there for all to see.

The kicking game was crap and in truth has been all season. It's a weak point for our team.

I’m permanently incredulous about how professional rugby league halves (especially those allegedly brilliant at kicking) cannot find open space with a kick. Our long kicking is extremely poor and we don’t have a plan B of even a decent bomb - which again I find very hard to believe a pro rugby player can’t execute 9/10. Sneyd will give us a masterclass on Friday.