We are probably seeing a reaction from a couple of blokes who genuinely like to get on with the game .Unfortunately, cheating is now creeping into the game but at least Hull seem to have got over the glut of timely injuries that used to blight every game a few years ago.

How will you feel if Wire actually make 6th and then go on a winning run and win the Grand Final after being considerably more dog poop than Saints.

Actually being sent off in the last few minutes and getting three matches would have been preferable to a four match ban, at least that way he could have made the Grand final (its the hope that kills you)

Aside from overjoyed, because we've finally won it, also pleased that there's another name on that trophy because the last four years have been boring AF, as the kids would say. My issue is more with how boring having the same winner every year is, not necessarily where they finished.

I thought I was the lone Moaning Minnie when I walked away from the game five seasons ago and not attended ever since. One post got it spot on when he posted the game is now over coached. In my opinion the rot set in with Wane at Wigan when he introduced wrestling as part of the training regime and made the game as dull as GrecoRoman wrestling. He also insisted that at least three of his defenders be involved in tackling the player with the ball and remove themselves as slowly as possible. Gone are the days of kidology,dummies,sidesteps and changes of pace,skills developed as kids in the schoolyard. It's biff bash and constant kicking to barge over from short range for the try. If skill ever returns to the sport I'll be back but I won't hold my breath waiting.