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Quote: Captain Hook "I’m afraid you’re buying into the “entertainers” hype. When did they last play an entertaining brand of rugby? They thrive, and have done for years now on a supersonically fast defensive line targeting the ptb and 2 out. The only entertaining player they have is Welsby who definitely has star quality to go with his totally unsympathetic character.
Our board are desperate for success, they clearly feel the lack of that elusive title as well as we do. Where we have failed, and Saints have succeeded is in spotting talent especially coaching talent (obviously Cunningham was a delightful blip). But they brought in Millard, Holbrook and Woolf Anderson etc. We have gone for safer choices like Powell or close but no medal Price. The only one we got right in recent history was Smith and that was so close but no cigar.
So talent spotting coaching talent has been our big failure.
I also wonder how much importance we have put on character when recruiting. Judging by comments before he got here Maguire was potentially always a problem.'"


I agree, I was referring to their strength being a big front row, hooker who’s first thought is to run and playing off the back of that.

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Surely defence is a priority. Stop the opposition from scoring and try to score a few ourselves. Might not be pretty, but that's what will get us wins and trophies.
I don't know what Sheriden has been doing since he arrived, he's been stealing a living.
I would like to see solid, no mistakes, defensive performances before we start throwing the ball around wildly. I'm sick of us making things easy to the opposition with unforced errors.
Winning is everything.

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I was in agreement with Barbed Wire up to the point of suggesting Saints have played the same way since the 90's. As Captain Hook suggests, they haven't played like that for years. What they have done is modify their game to suit with quick line speed and very dominant defence. They then grind you down for long periods and poach a couple of tries in the last quarter of the game. Quite a fair few of their fans don't like this method that Woolf created but it worked and won them GFs so could hardly be argued with. Wigan have also played this kind of way and it could be said they were the architects of this back under Mcguire with the slow ruck speed. When you watch games pre 2010 or even earlier in the 90's it is much more free flowing and the play the ball is a lot quicker. Maybe defence is a bit loose but that was one of the trade offs.
What our identity is i have no idea. Briers referred to this on a pod cast last year saying Warrington still haven't worked out what their identity is yet.

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Quote: TF and the wire "Surely defence is a priority. Stop the opposition from scoring and try to score a few ourselves. Might not be pretty, but that's what will get us wins and trophies.
I don't know what Sheriden has been doing since he arrived, he's been stealing a living.
I would like to see solid, no mistakes, defensive performances before we start throwing the ball around wildly. I'm sick of us making things easy to the opposition with unforced errors.
Winning is everything.'"


I would like to see this also. But the plan kinda whiffs of the Price era that everybody has nightmares over.

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Quote: TF and the wire "Surely defence is a priority. Stop the opposition from scoring and try to score a few ourselves. Might not be pretty, but that's what will get us wins and trophies.
I don't know what Sheriden has been doing since he arrived, he's been stealing a living.
I would like to see solid, no mistakes, defensive performances before we start throwing the ball around wildly. I'm sick of us making things easy to the opposition with unforced errors.
Winning is everything.'"


Stand to be corrected here but did Tony Smith one time say he was mostly concerned with the defence and attack will take care of itself or something to that effect.

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