FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!
  
FORUMS > Warrington Wolves > Karl Fitzpatrick - Teflon
108 posts in 8 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
RankPostsTeam
Club Coach4024
JoinedServiceReputation
Apr 200420 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jul 2024Jul 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

Darlings of Super League:



Quote: DallasMead2 "Please do list his achievements the last 5 years, try recruitment and retention (his major mandate) and see how you go.'"


To be honest you've put your views about him on at least two different websites just since last night so I feel like engaging with you is making me a witness to some future harassment case.

I am really in no position to judge Fitzpatrick because I don't know what his job description is or how he does it day to day. But I think it's mad to assume he decides which player to sign - that's the head coach's job - his role is seeing to the process of getting players signed up and as far as I can see that bit works well. On retention, very few players (recent exception Cooper) choose to leave us so presumably we are doing ok - in contrast to say Wigan who struggle to hold on to their talent.

RankPostsTeam
Academy Player33No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 20222 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jun 2023Nov 2022LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

Have you tried calling the club shop?:



Sorry it’s a long one, after mulling things over
Its a mystery how the club has seemingly drifted, (with a sudden plunge this season), from becoming relatively successful in the Tony Smith era to where we find ourselves now. After discussions I’ve had, (with no inside knowledge, just guess work), I wonder if its something like this.
Paul Cullen era the sport was different and he worked on galvanising the squad together lots of “team building” party hard/play hard which did its job, got us out of trouble and into the HJ. But the sport as a whole was becoming more and more professional and so a different approach was needed enter Tony Smith.
Tony Smith brought a new more professional approach, the squad were suddenly all wearing suits, waiting as a group to leave the pitch at half time, non conformists made an example of, Gleeson gone, Briers dropped and on the bench. Also it was easier to get star players then and build a strong squad. As a club we were using any, (legal), loophole available on the salary cap, such as paying overseas players mid air on flights back home for tax reasons etc. Then it became harder to get the star players and loopholes were getting closed. I wonder if this is where the problems started, (again only guess work). Perhaps in contract negotiations to keep the better players other perks were offered, ie we will help you set up a business, give you time and advice to make it successful, we’ll put you on a course for your career once you retire etc. Perhaps this is where TS started to become disillusioned, the ethics he wanted to instil were no longer there.
Enter Steve Price, maybe he was better than we gave him credit for and he managed the squad very well and worked with what he had in terms of the perks players were given and attitude, I watch all the NRL and he is on the field pre every Cronulla game putting the players through their paces, obviously well respected. But the squad was too comfortable and lacking in hunger for success they lacked the grit to be successful, we were soft.
Enter Daryl Powell, right from the start he has mentioned the soft underbelly, we have seen it in the previous play offs. He comes in and starts removing the perks only wanting players who are fully focussed on the team and not outside interests etc, give the team a set of doodahs and be driven to win. Understandably if half the squad have been enticed to stay or offered sweeteners in the past they are not going to like it, its almost like a pay cut. If that’s the case really there is no fault on either side at present, the squad needs overhauling and remove the players on an easy ride, (probably through no fault of their own)

RankPostsTeam
First Team Player902No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 20204 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Dec 2022Sep 2022LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Quote: Leikvolls_Profile "Sorry it’s a long one, after mulling things over
Its a mystery how the club has seemingly drifted, (with a sudden plunge this season), from becoming relatively successful in the Tony Smith era to where we find ourselves now. After discussions I’ve had, (with no inside knowledge, just guess work), I wonder if its something like this.
Paul Cullen era the sport was different and he worked on galvanising the squad together lots of “team building” party hard/play hard which did its job, got us out of trouble and into the HJ. But the sport as a whole was becoming more and more professional and so a different approach was needed enter Tony Smith.
Tony Smith brought a new more professional approach, the squad were suddenly all wearing suits, waiting as a group to leave the pitch at half time, non conformists made an example of, Gleeson gone, Briers dropped and on the bench. Also it was easier to get star players then and build a strong squad. As a club we were using any, (legal), loophole available on the salary cap, such as paying overseas players mid air on flights back home for tax reasons etc. Then it became harder to get the star players and loopholes were getting closed. I wonder if this is where the problems started, (again only guess work). Perhaps in contract negotiations to keep the better players other perks were offered, ie we will help you set up a business, give you time and advice to make it successful, we’ll put you on a course for your career once you retire etc. Perhaps this is where TS started to become disillusioned, the ethics he wanted to instil were no longer there.
Enter Steve Price, maybe he was better than we gave him credit for and he managed the squad very well and worked with what he had in terms of the perks players were given and attitude, I watch all the NRL and he is on the field pre every Cronulla game putting the players through their paces, obviously well respected. But the squad was too comfortable and lacking in hunger for success they lacked the grit to be successful, we were soft.
Enter Daryl Powell, right from the start he has mentioned the soft underbelly, we have seen it in the previous play offs. He comes in and starts removing the perks only wanting players who are fully focussed on the team and not outside interests etc, give the team a set of doodahs and be driven to win. Understandably if half the squad have been enticed to stay or offered sweeteners in the past they are not going to like it, its almost like a pay cut. If that’s the case really there is no fault on either side at present, the squad needs overhauling and remove the players on an easy ride, (probably through no fault of their own)'"

Utterly CEO, could have saved your RSI.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach13747
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 200618 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jul 2024Jul 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
26249_1542017975.jpg
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_26249.jpg



A lot of people comment on the link between our fortunes and Andy Gatcliffe as CEO who left end of 2014.

A seasoned C-level operator who is now holding other director and non-exec positions.

RankPostsTeam
First Team Player902No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 20204 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Dec 2022Sep 2022LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Quote: Wires71 "A lot of people comment on the link between our fortunes and Andy Gatcliffe as CEO who left end of 2014.

A seasoned C-level operator who is now holding other director and non-exec positions.[/quot
SOME people comment, not a lot. I’m constantly amazed that people can’t see the drop off in everything around the club since circa 2016…..amazed.

RankPostsTeam
Academy Player33No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 20222 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jun 2023Nov 2022LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

Have you tried calling the club shop?:



100% Agree that Andy Gatcliffe was an escellent CEO and we no doubt miss his expertise.
A genuine question as I have absolutly no idea what his R&Rs are. What is it that Karl Fitzpatrick is or isn't doing that has such a negative impact on the club that it overrides any influence the coaching staff or anyone else can have on the playing group and leads to the situation we have now.
At a guess he is involved in recruitment which has left a lot to be desired of the last few years, but surely he is not solely responsible for it and others also have a say in who we sign? But what other things are there?

108 posts in 8 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
108 posts in 8 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>



All views expressed are those of the author and not necessarily those of the RLFANS.COM or its subsites.

Whilst every effort is made to ensure that news stories, articles and images are correct, we cannot be held responsible for errors. However, if you feel any material on this website is copyrighted or incorrect in any way please contact us using the link at the top of the page so we can remove it or negotiate copyright permission.

RLFANS.COM, the owners of this website, is not responsible for the content of its sub-sites or posts, please email the author of this sub-site or post if you feel you find an article offensive or of a choice nature that you disagree with.

Copyright 1999 - 2024 RLFANS.COM

You must be 18+ to gamble, for more information and for help with gambling issues see https://www.begambleaware.org/.



Please Support RLFANS.COM


5.23876953125:5
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
19m
Game - Song Titles
Wanderer
37904
20m
Round 16 London Home
Emagdnim13
89
20m
BORED The Band Name Game
Wanderer
60091
40m
TV Games - Not Hull
WIZEB
2061
55m
Other Championship Clubs
REDWHITEANDB
234
Recent
Planning for next season
LeythIg
13
Recent
Batley Bulldogs H
Trojan Horse
16
Recent
Salford - Away
The games af
22
Recent
Leeds
the-bearded-
37
Recent
WHO IS NEXT
ArthurClues
150
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
Other Championship Clubs
REDWHITEANDB
234
1m
The Seagulls v The Panthers
terry silver
20
1m
Toulouse A
Bull Mania
24
1m
Jayden Okunbor
bonaire
133
1m
Planning for next season
LeythIg
13
1m
Transfer Talk / Rumour thread V4
KaeruJim
9282
2m
Salford - Away
The games af
22
2m
BORED The Band Name Game
Wanderer
60091
2m
Game - Song Titles
Wanderer
37904
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Accountability
Gazzagiant2
1
TODAY
email
orangeman
1
TODAY
This site is crap
tad rhino
3
TODAY
Lucky Leeds Golden Point Win Over the Broncos
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Prettys Girls in your city for night
jackmac452
1
TODAY
Vegas Baby
Jason65
2
TODAY
Wigan Beat Leigh in Derby Thriller
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Reserves
BigTime
2
TODAY
Tonights game v Giants
karetaker
32
TODAY
Free parking
Philth
8
TODAY
Salford Away Travel Information
LancashireRe
1
TODAY
Batley next
Start@1873
3
TODAY
Round 16 London Home
Emagdnim13
89
TODAY
Leeds
the-bearded-
37
TODAY
Injuries and available cover
walter wall
12
TODAY
Problems with this Site continued
karetaker
12
TODAY
3 clubs apply to join League 1
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
Sadly one less Bronco
nkpom
2
TODAY
Fan Village
[Gareth]
4
TODAY
The Seagulls v The Panthers
terry silver
20
TODAY
Las Vegas 2025 English ladies involved
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
New halfback signing
Pyrah123
11
TODAY
Batley Bulldogs H
Trojan Horse
16
TODAY
Squads - Leopards v Warriors
Cokey
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Lucky Leeds Golden Point Win O..
163
Wigan Beat Leigh in Derby Thri..
328
Wakefield Trinity Register Thi..
1434
Englands Youngsters Beat Franc..
1112
Big Win for England Women Over..
857
2024 State of Origin - Game 2 ..
1107
New Structure for 2025 Challen..
1205
Super League form rewarded as ..
1527
Superb Salford Complete Histor..
1521
Catalans Dragons Survive Secon..
1521
Warrington Wolves Snatch Late ..
1315
Spirit of Rob Burrow Inspires ..
1528
Hull KR Drop Goal Secures Win ..
1868
St Helens Break Fifty As They ..
1793
Leigh Leopards Resurgence Clai..
1961