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Quote: Wires71 "I think it's both. Winning mentality around the club and players that get better when the pressure is on. Players who can execute skills when under pressure against quality opposition.
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I think there are some leaders who are "born not made" like Sinfield and Peacock and then if the culture is right that mentality basically gets absorbed by other senior players: JJB, Burrow, McGuire, Leuluai.

In Wigan you had O'Loughlin as the born leader but one thing that really impressed me about Wigan in the Shaun Wane era was how mature their young Academy graduates were and how calm and mentally resilient they were right when they stepped into the first team.

I think in these teams with a good culture they are good at educating their players on good rugby sense and how to read changing game situations and diagnose and remedy problems in real time, and also have leaders who can manage the psychological aspect of it: kick some asses when players are coasting or not switched on, and also re-energise the confidence and belief in players who are putting in the effort but whose game has gone flat because their confidence has drained away after a couple of mistakes.

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Quote: Barbed Wire "To be clear, as I’ve said on other posts, I don’t blame Powell. He just isn’t the man for the job. Finishing outside of the play offs is a disaster for Warrington, but common for Powell. His track record is a wash of inconsistency, often mitigated by lack of resources. Now he’s got all the money in the world and is bringing in players no better than what we had.

Price couldn’t get a group of players over the final hurdle, and that wasn’t good enough. But, they were consistently in the fight. The same group are 10th.'"

I agree to some degree, but he didn't have that much money really as the vast majority of the squad were already signed up. Oli Holmes for 1 is a very strange one. He's a tried and tested second rower who is solid in defense and attack so the fact it isn't happening here is odd. Could being shifted from 11 where he's always played, to the opposite side of the pitch at 12 be affecting him?
Now i'm backing Powell to fix the club long term as i believe he can change us for the better. But the current results are frightening. I get that a big group of our players are leaving and there may well be some players who don't buy in to Powells methods. But the way we are playing is mind boggling.
Powell isn't a bad coach so i don't understand our dramatic dip in form, this points to the players also not doing what they should. The club is a mess at the minute but it hasn't been amazing for awhile.
Chopping and changing a coach all the time won't give a coach tome to impliment his tactics and get the right players in. That being said we NEED to win against Wakefield or we are in very real danger of relegation.

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What is important is that the fans get a sniff of improvement to performances through an improved & settled squad in the second half of the season . No good promising jam tomorrow when the club will be trying to flog season tickets in 6 months time & we all know how many false dawns there have been at the Wire. There have been plenty of false dawns in my 60 years of supporting the club.

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One thing to remember with Powell was he also had to do a lot of "squad surgery" when he took over at Leeds from Dean Lance as they were carrying a lot of senior players who were underperforming and the club was in a frustrating state of underachievement.

Powell moved on guys like Andy Hay, Darren Fleary, Anthony Farrell, Ryan Sheridan, Jamie Mathiou plus the big gun NRL signings Brett Mullins, Tonie Carroll, Brad Clyde and Robbie Mears. Iestyn Harris also departed for RU soon after he took over.

In their place he signed Andrew Dunemann, Chris McKenna, Matt Adamson, David Furner, Gary Connolly, Adrian Vowles, Willie Poching - who were all good reliable senior professionals to create a positive environment in which he could bring through the guys from the youth team - Rob Burrow, Mark Calderwood, Danny McGuire, Richie Mathers, Ryan Bailey, Danny Ward, Matt Diskin, JJB.

Leeds didn't implode like we are doing now probably because he had access to a much stronger pool of senior players to recruit from and also their youth talent that he was bringing through was far superior to ours, but there was a bit of turbulence in Leeds at the time and I expect Powell ruffled feathers by moving on so many of the old guard particularly as some of those guys would have been his former teammates dring his playing days.

That squad surgery job he did at Leeds was successful and he left a team for TS which was ready to challenge for the title (and won the GF in TS first season).

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And Ryan Sheridan is now his right hand man.

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Quote: sally cinnamon "One thing to remember with Powell was he also had to do a lot of "squad surgery" when he took over at Leeds from Dean Lance as they were carrying a lot of senior players who were underperforming and the club was in a frustrating state of underachievement.

Powell moved on guys like Andy Hay, Darren Fleary, Anthony Farrell, Ryan Sheridan, Jamie Mathiou plus the big gun NRL signings Brett Mullins, Tonie Carroll, Brad Clyde and Robbie Mears. Iestyn Harris also departed for RU soon after he took over.

In their place he signed Andrew Dunemann, Chris McKenna, Matt Adamson, David Furner, Gary Connolly, Adrian Vowles, Willie Poching - who were all good reliable senior professionals to create a positive environment in which he could bring through the guys from the youth team - Rob Burrow, Mark Calderwood, Danny McGuire, Richie Mathers, Ryan Bailey, Danny Ward, Matt Diskin, JJB.

Leeds didn't implode like we are doing now probably because he had access to a much stronger pool of senior players to recruit from and also their youth talent that he was bringing through was far superior to ours, but there was a bit of turbulence in Leeds at the time and I expect Powell ruffled feathers by moving on so many of the old guard particularly as some of those guys would have been his former teammates dring his playing days.

That squad surgery job he did at Leeds was successful and he left a team for TS which was ready to challenge for the title (and won the GF in TS first season).'"


You're not wrong but you've overlooked the part that Hetherington played. Signings for example: it's probable that he held a lot more sway than Powell in that regard. Then there was the masterstroke of recognising Powell's limitations and replacing him with Tony Smith. At that time, the Leeds golden generation had only narrowly lost a cup final to the then dominant Bradford side. There was no crisis and fans weren't calling for Powell to go. As far as many were concerned, Leeds was a side on the up. Really ruthless stuff, both from Powell who ditched a load of former team mates and from Hetherington who pretty much did the same to Powell. Maybe it's that kind of ruthlessness that Powell's meant to bring to Warrington, rather than simply coaching the 17 on the park?

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