Bring back the beast !!!

Is it difficult to coach an increase in line speed? Or is it enthusiasm and determination?

Well said. A coach won't make any difference if players have no desire. The likes of currie, widdop and King are playing games half ar$Ed, and that's the ONE thing you can't do if you want to win any game of rugby league.

Same goes for kick chases. They are a barometer of how committed the team is.

Players not giving 100% need to be dropped. It's corrosive and insulting. Powell has surprised me with how tolerant he is. Some players are taking the .

Fafita didn’t say he was a backrower, I did.

Ok Cooper has transitioned into a prop, and a very good one, but unlike Warmsley, doesn’t seem to have the gravitas. Warmsley size carries the weight balance that is lacking when partnered with a transitional prop like Matty Lees. Cooper and Hughes in comparison?

Cooper was always a backrow:/loose forward who struggled to get a regular start, heads off down under and get huge raps with his offloads when playing in a big pack. He’s now playing in a light pack. It’s all relative.

My comments are my own and what I see.

Packs win games

I suppose if the definition of a prop is “are you as big and effective (and serious?!) as Walmesley” then not many will qualify.

Sorry when did Cooper transition into a prop? He's always played prop since he came into the first team?

Also how come if he's been playing in a weak pack since he came back he's been up there with the best props and been a supposed man of steel contender?

I didn't say that you said Fafita thought Cooper was a backrower, I heard the same (correct IMO) comment as you. You asked us to "make of that what you will" and I think that the majority will have Cooper down as a Prop and it was aimed at the whole pack and bench.

Here's one for you if we had two Cooper's on the pitch Mike and Tommy and three on the bench Gary, Bradley and Mini but all of equal stature would you think,

a) We have an abundance of props
b) We have an abundance of second rowers
c) We'll never be short of a barrel at the Christmas Party

See the thing is, his point will come back around to the 80s and les boyd and kevin tamati, our sport is so far distanced from that version of the sport its not even relevant to make comparisons like that.

Here's your litmus test on this one, how many people were supporting of antony england? he ticks a few recruitment boxes as he was as big if not bigger than walmsley, and he came from the championship, which as you will see lately is a requirement for the usual suspects complaining about poor recruitment from the nrl, but they dont like it when we try to sign players from the championship.

a lot of these complaints and viewpoints are cyclical, people saying we shouldn't be tieing up money in the halves, we should spend marquee on a prop, couple years down the line when we still haven't won a gf, why are we wasting it on a prop?...

In his last season before he went to Australia most of his starts were at loose forward with most of his appearances coming as a bench prop.

The only reason he didn't start as prop in that season (2013) was due to our abundance of huge forwards.

This was a time when the man-mountain Waterhouse was playing SR/LF. We had Harrison and Westwood playing SR too, all of which would probably be playing prop in our current team.

So I'd say back then, I'd say he was a prop who was played in other roles due to his inexperience and squad quality. I can't remember him ever being seen as a SR.