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| Quote Mighty_Wires88="Mighty_Wires88"
Mamo for Mata’utia is a tricky one, we will get more of a ball handling threat and a better defender than Mamo…'"
You must have been watching a different Mata’utia to me this season.
Poor in defence, especially against Hull KR, Leeds and Hull FC.
He also has no ball-handling threat. He takes some decent carries and he’s pretty strong so wins collisions, but I can count on one hand the number of passes he’s made all season.
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| Oliver Holmes i'm buzzing with, he's been brilliant for a few seasons now, he's like Westwood in his prime. He hits like a truck in defence and attack, plays 80mins, accelerates in to a tackle and is aggressive. Exactly what we've been missing.
Mata'utia is solid and dependable with a kicking game, i've got no issue at all with him slotting in to right centre. Mamo has speed on Mata'utia and that's about it. He's not flashy but i'm happy with his signing 
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| Quote nottinghamtiger="nottinghamtiger"You must have been watching a different Mata’utia to me this season.
Poor in defence, especially against Hull KR, Leeds and Hull FC.
He also has no ball-handling threat. He takes some decent carries and he’s pretty strong so wins collisions, but I can count on one hand the number of passes he’s made all season.'"
‘You must be watching a different’ Mamo as he hasn’t been great in defence this year either, him & Austin have been at fault for a few soft tries down our right edge this year. I’ve watch Mata’utia against us and he defend well from what I saw & one or two other games I’ve seen him play he looked solid on that right side.
Yeah he takes decent carries and runs the ball in hard which you expect from most good centres. As Mata’utia has played at half-back and full back previously on a consistent basis, he’s bound to have a better pair of hands when you compare the two when weighing up the Pros & Cons. Mamo has blistering pace, good step on him and offers a lot of enthusiasm …if you could blend the two players into one you’d have a hell of a player..
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| Quote Or thane="Or thane"
Mata'utia is solid and dependable with a kicking game '"
I reckon I’ve watched almost every Castleford game Pete Mata’utia has played in, and I can’t remember him kicking the ball once.
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| Quote Mighty_Wires88="Mighty_Wires88"‘You must be watching a different’ Mamo as he hasn’t been great in defence this year either, him & Austin have been at fault for a few soft tries down our right edge this year. I’ve watch Mata’utia against us and he defend well from what I saw & one or two other games I’ve seen him play he looked solid on that right side.
Yeah he takes decent carries and runs the ball in hard which you expect from most good centres. As Mata’utia has played at half-back and full back previously on a consistent basis, he’s bound to have a better pair of hands when you compare the two when weighing up the Pros & Cons. Mamo has blistering pace, good step on him and offers a lot of enthusiasm …if you could blend the two players into one you’d have a hell of a player..
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I wasn’t commenting on Mamo. I’ve not seen him often enough at centre to have my own opinion.
I’ve seen plenty of Mata’utia.
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| Quote nottinghamtiger="nottinghamtiger"I wasn’t commenting on Mamo. I’ve not seen him often enough at centre to have my own opinion.
I’ve seen plenty of Mata’utia.'"
Well I’m comparing the two of them as right centre players. Since one is a direct replacement for the other, rather than assessing mata’utia objectively I’m simply forming a comparative between the two.
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| Quote nottinghamtiger="nottinghamtiger"
To be honest, I just speak the truth. In this case, having watched them every week, you’ve signed a bang average centre ,'"
If we judge someone like a peak Inglis or Jonathan Davies as world class centres & the likes of Keith Senior or Allan Bateman as 'good' centres, then is there anyone in SL right now who isn't above the level of bang average?
I'd reckon not, so if Matautia is bang average then he'll probably be fine in the grand scheme of things.
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| Quote Mighty_Wires88="Mighty_Wires88"Well I’m comparing the two of them as right centre players. Since one is a direct replacement for the other, rather than assessing mata’utia objectively I’m simply forming a comparative between the two.'"
I wouldn't know if Matautia is a better centre than Mamo, because I've only seen Mamo play at right centre a couple of times so am therefore unable to compare them.
Similarly, you didn't see Matautia's performances against Hull KR, Leeds and Hull FC this season. If you had, your comparison may be very different!
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| Quote Dita's Slot Meter="Dita's Slot Meter"If we judge someone like a peak Inglis or Jonathan Davies as world class centres & the likes of Keith Senior or Allan Bateman as 'good' centres, then is there anyone in SL right now who isn't above the level of bang average?
I'd reckon not, so if Matautia is bang average then he'll probably be fine in the grand scheme of things.'"
Good point - we are hardly blessed with quality players in that position across SL.
It's a shame, because there's nothing better than a destructive centre with pace, strength and the ability to create tries for the winger.
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| Quote Dita's Slot Meter="Dita's Slot Meter"If we judge someone like a peak Inglis or Jonathan Davies as world class centres & the likes of Keith Senior or Allan Bateman as 'good' centres, then is there anyone in SL right now who isn't above the level of bang average?
I'd reckon not, so if Matautia is bang average then he'll probably be fine in the grand scheme of things.'"
I think I made this point a couple of pages back on this thread.
Current centres in super league with a bit of X factor and we’ll above average = Percival and King. Both can produce a little bit of magic and King certainly has been doing it for a couple of seasons on that left edge combining with Currie, Widdop and Ratchford.
After that you’ve got Naiqama (above average) and ???. That’s about it. Hurrell is good near the line but his defence seems to cancel out his efforts in attack. And he’s on a marquee salary too so that rules him out.
If Mata’utia is the only available option of an average bunch of centres, so be it. At least he’s working under Powell who has a reputation of getting the best out of average ability players.
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| Quote Dita's Slot Meter="Dita's Slot Meter"If we judge someone like a peak Inglis or Jonathan Davies as world class centres & the likes of Keith Senior or Allan Bateman as 'good' centres, then is there anyone in SL right now who isn't above the level of bang average?
I'd reckon not, so if Matautia is bang average then he'll probably be fine in the grand scheme of things.'"
I think I made this point a couple of pages back on this thread.
Current centres in super league with a bit of X factor and we’ll above average = Percival and King. Both can produce a little bit of magic and King certainly has been doing it for a couple of seasons on that left edge combining with Currie, Widdop and Ratchford.
After that you’ve got Naiqama (above average) and ???. That’s about it. Hurrell is good near the line but his defence seems to cancel out his efforts in attack. And he’s on a marquee salary too so that rules him out.
If Mata’utia is the only available option of an average bunch of centres, so be it. At least he’s working under Powell who has a reputation of getting the best out of average ability players.
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