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| .... not my words. The words of Sgt. Wilson from Dad's Army. We're just TOO nice.
I've been saying this for years. When is the club going to grow a backbone, and be ruthless (SHOULD Price fail to deliver a GF win)? We, as a club, and the British public in general, accept and even promote failure. In 2018, Price loses TWO finals in 6 weeks, and we extend his contract (iirc). Laughable. Accepting loss. A typical British "plucky underdog" way of looking at it.
Case in point. Football World Cup 2018. England. Let's look at their results.
A stoppage time win against the might of Tunisia
Hammered lowly Panama
Lose to Belgium
Beat Columbia on penalties
A comfortable win against Sweden
An aimless loss to Croatia in the semis
Another loss to Belgium
So that's 3 losses out of 7, and a penalties win. WOW. Hardly the stuff of greatness, yet, at the SPOTY awards, Southgate is announced Coach of the Year. For what? At the same time Guardiola's City break record after record. Its as if the British/English psyche regards winning as a dirty word.
Look at some of Britain's success stories over the years, and they're pilloried by the media. Steve Davis, Nick Faldo, Nigel Mansell, Chris Eubank etc. All fantastic at their jobs, yet we make celebrity out of Eddie the Eagle, a bumbling Bruno, a crying Gazza
Now, I've just reread all the posts from yesterday's match, and the dumb rugby thread, and EVERY post which mentions the final, wants Salford to win. Not one wishes a Leeds victory. What have Leeds done to us, to not deserve our support.? They too, have 2 ex Wires in their side. See what I mean? Sticking up for the plucky underdog
Which brings me back to us. Since I started watching the Wire, in the last few months of the 70's, here's a list of the coaches we've had, from memory and their reason for leaving (again, iirc)
Benyon. Left us for Saints
Ashcroft. Left to work for his mate at Salford, Wilkinson.
Bowden. Sacked
Barrow. Left us for Oldham
Johnson. Sacked after 7.5 years
Dorahy. Jumped before he was pushed
DVDV. Left after 4 years
Anderson and Plange Sacked
Cullen. Jumped/sacked after 6 years
Horrible Lowes. Sackec/moved aside for Smith
Smith. Jupmed before he was sacked after 8 years
Price. Currently his 3 rd season.
And what have got to show for all that, since Kevin Ascroft.
A premiership
A Lancs Cup
A Regal Trophy
and 4 (admittedly, very sweet) CC wins. Sadly, let's not include the couple of LLS, as, unfortunately, they carry little kudos in the grand scheme of things
That's not good enough, for a club that's spent a lot of dosh under Higham and Moran, as well as the boom and bust under rPeter Deakin.
As I said, WE'RE JUST TOO NICE. Wigan, Leeds and Saints don't stand for tat mediocrity, but we do. Briers has been on the coaching staff now, for 7 or 8 seasons, and for what. We don't OWE this man a living.
If we don't land the big one in November, Price can do one, and I hope we show a few more the door, too.
We need to be ruthless
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| Yes the Salford recruitment model, and the Castleford model in Powell's early years are examples to look at.
These clubs seem to pick up players from other clubs that seem like they are so-so and then take them to a much higher level than they had reached before.
Warrington take players who have reached a higher level at other clubs and then take them to becoming so-so with us.
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| Quote: sally cinnamon "Yes the Salford recruitment model, and the Castleford model in Powell's early years are examples to look at.
These clubs seem to pick up players from other clubs that seem like they are so-so and then take them to a much higher level than they had reached before.
Warrington take players who have reached a higher level at other clubs and then take them to becoming so-so with us.'"
Ratchford and Hill being the exceptions
Cooper has returned a better player
Daryl Clark has continued his MoS level
Charnley and Lineham have neither regressed or progressed
But then
Gelling CAN look devastating, it's just when he can be bothered
Our halves look nowhere near [imarquee level[/i
If Jason Clark was supposed to be some kind of NRL Colossus, I'll show my bottom in Bridge St.
BMM and Akuaola are merely thinner versions of Danny Lima, with greater stamina levels
Hughes is just Hughes
Then there's the ones we've let go
Our two YouTube sensations
Roberts. (don't get me started)
Sandow Flaky (at times) but with errrr.... issues
Westerman.... see Hughes/Jason Clark
Then there's the "experiments"
Bailey, Wheeler, Cox etc
Our recruitment is a lot more miss than hit
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| Quote: Uncle Rico "Spot on I know fans of all beaten teams will complain about the opposition but Wigan are masters of pushing the boundaries
Their line speed was fantastic in defence and the interference at the Austin ptb on the 5th under the sticks 2nd half by Powell resulting in a knock on was typical.
I'm not complaining we all do it they are just better at that facet of the game than we are particularly the flat pass to Farrell routine his try was the only legitimate pass he received all night'"
Thought this many a time ,successful teams help themselves by bending rules to nth degree.
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| I broadly agree with lefty's list, but Lineham I think has bucked the trend. He was a 'typical Wire' player, before we signed him. Someone who looked like he had talent but flattered to deceive and frustrated the Hull fans. Then with us, after his first year or so, he became a more reliable performer, who shows up in big games, like the kind of player we usually sign and then make worse with us.
If anything Charnley has regressed, after a good start with us, but I find him hard to assess. He hasn't looked like a bad player, he's just become more peripheral, which may be more due to the rest of the team than him.
Westerman was a classic Wire signing if ever there was one.
Kevin Brown was another who underachieved with us compared to what he had been doing with Hudds and Widnes, although when he was out through injury, we missed him. Him and Kurt Gidley fall in the category of players who would have been good to sign a few years earlier, because they had a good attitude but were just past their best physically/had injury problems when they joined us. A younger Kurt Gidley could have been an Aussie version of Simon Grix.
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| Quote: sally cinnamon "I broadly agree with lefty's list, but Lineham I think has bucked the trend. He was a 'typical Wire' player, before we signed him. Someone who looked like he had talent but flattered to deceive and frustrated the Hull fans. Then with us, after his first year or so, he became a more reliable performer, who shows up in big games, like the kind of player we usually sign and then make worse with us.
If anything Charnley has regressed, after a good start with us, but I find him hard to assess. He hasn't looked like a bad player, he's just become more peripheral, which may be more due to the rest of the team than him.
Westerman was a classic Wire signing if ever there was one.
Kevin Brown was another who underachieved with us compared to what he had been doing with Hudds and Widnes, although when he was out through injury, we missed him. Him and Kurt Gidley fall in the category of players who would have been good to sign a few years earlier, because they had a good attitude but were just past their best physically/had injury problems when they joined us. A younger Kurt Gidley could have been an Aussie version of Simon Grix.'"
Fair comments, sally
Lineham just let's himself down with his appalling discipline
Charnley's [iedge[/i has been blunted by his overuse as a battering ram, thus tiring himself out (to some extent)
Brown I'd forgotten about. Enjoying an [iIndian summer[/i to his career, but never really did anything for us
Forgotten about Gidley, too. All guns blazing for his first couple of months. After that, little shown/age catching up with him
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