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Quote: Or thane "Just poor all round, speed counts for nothing in this weather, Ashton has speed and that's about it. Today was a forwards game. I would leave Ashton out rather than moving Ratchford from his best postion. Ratch had a great game at 13 so why Trial Austin there. Price just doesn't have the killer blow in him for me, he can do a lot with a team but not enough.
Some weird comments on here taking aim at Gelling saying he was awful and ineffective, take out the favoritism and take off the rose tinted specs and you'll see he did a hell of a lot of hard work today. Took in shed loads of drives and helped out the forwards.
Daryl Clark was none existant, Mamo, Charnley, Widdop and Ashton were none existant and ineffective, but yeah lets pin point Gelling who worked is butt off today.'"


It's likely because he got driven back a lot but with nobody behind helping him out I'm not sure what else is expected in slippery conditions. I agree, Gelling did a shift.

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Yeah I hope that's the Chris Hill we are going to get for the rest of his career with us. It's definitely the best version of him, can't fault him today.

I think more than 2 played well but overall we didn't turn the ball over on our terms often enough and made poor options too often when we did finish sets. We didn't get to grip with the conditions for the full 80, we were good in spells but awful in others. The tries they scored will haunt some of our lads.

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Well if we've now decided that the Wire of 2020 are the Harlem Globetrotters (copyright Tony Barrow) and can't play in wet weather, I guess I'll either resign myself to never seeing a GF win or campaigning for the final to be in August.

Fact : two teams coped with the conditions better than their opponents and they are both contesting the final. One of them played remarkably error free football and it is perhaps not suprising that team has also previously enjoyed GF success in typically English autumnal weather.

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Just hypothetical to prove a point...
If you put BBM back into the starting 13, switching him with (loose forward) Austin, for starting 13 balance....
You see that we technically had only one lightweight prop/backrower Philbin and a backrower Jace interchange of forwards on the bench, plus Walker, who carry’s no weight.

A terrible terrible team selection, breaks the first rule of RL, twice!!

I’d have had no issue with Price puzzling 13 with Ashton and Austin, if we’d have gone with an forward bench, regardless of favour. BMM Latu Jace Davis (Akouala)

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Philbin who I rate really highly got absolutely mullered when he came on, There is 0 excuse now for price I would’ve loved to retain the cup but there is no get out from
him now,he has been out coached by Watson on 5 occasions and he is probably spending more than a million in cap more than him let’s see what the rest of the year brings.

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Quote: Winslade's Offload "Wet weather is a great leveller, it disadvantages the runners and play makers and rewards the big forwards. Our game seems to have evolved very much into fast rugby with lots of offloads, breaks, and tries scored from well down the field. Salford rely on forwards scoring from the 10m line, kick throughs and long kicks to the corner. Even their winger Rhys Williams has been converted into a forward and the only time he got the ball in space he looked woefully slow. By and large this season has done us a favour because games are much faster and scrums of course are non existent. In a normal season we would be back to talking about the need for a couple of big forwards.

As well as (or perhaps because of) the conditions we made a lot of errors, some of which were pretty basic stuff. As previously predicted, Ashton had a bad day and invited the kick through for one of their tries. On the plus side we took the two points that were on offer and in the first half pinned them in their own half for good long periods (which I would guess to be our tactics surely ?) Unfortunately after that we seemed to lose the plot whilst Salford simply ground on and never gave up.

Well done Salford, but I don't think we need to start making a noose from the light flex just yet.'"


Sensible analysis. We played the conditions for about 30 of the 80 minutes. In the other 50 we were impatient and over-optimistic. This is disappointing as both Wire and Salford had seen the way Leeds handled the weather and it seems that Salford payed closer attention. This is down to execution by the players and not to coaching. We will need to be much smarter from this lesson as October is the 2nd rainiest month in the UK (after January) so we may see more of these conditions in other vital matches.

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