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As Head coach at Hull he lost more games than he won.. He never won a trophy
As Head coach at Wakey he lost more games than he won... He never won A trophy.
As Head coach of France he lost more games than he won... He never won a trophy....
I fancy his final record with Leeds will be similar... Despite Leeds being a stronger club with a shrewd CEO...
But I don't see Agar as top coach he never coached in the NRL despite goung over there to do that. he ended up doing some player recruitment role and soon came back...
Personally I think hes way too poor for Leeds but that suits me fine.
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I think he'll end up winning more games than he loses at Leeds. Trophy...who knows.
Tony Smith's record at Huddersfield or Hull KR, or Brian McDermott's record at Harlequins and Toronto, aren't a good predictor of their records with Leeds.
He seems to be doing a decent job with the calibre of player available in Leeds at the moment.
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Tony Smith's record at Huddersfield or Hull KR, or Brian McDermott's record at Harlequins and Toronto, aren't a good predictor of their records with Leeds.
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But Agar was in charge at Hull FC. They cannot be considered alongside Harlequins and Toronto when excusing his results.
Anyhow what case are you arguing that maybe all our problems weren't down to Agar? I think that is clear now but I still don't think we have let a misunderstood coaching genius slip through our fingers - do you? |
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Well Agar being appointed at Leeds does prompt some questions.
If we had appointed him, we would have said typical Wire mediocrity, we lack big club mentality....could you imagine serial winners like Saints or Wigan making an appointment like that?
So why have Leeds appointed him?
It could be a stark symptom of how bare the coaching cupboard is and how hard it is to get a good coach in.
Or it could be that Gary Hetherington has seen something in Agar. He's made strange appointments before.
He appointed Daryl Powell coach straight after retiring as a player which raised eyebrows. Powell ended up being a good coach, although mostly after his Leeds spell.
He appointed Brian McDermott, when his record with London had been so-so.
Also Tony Smith at the time Hetherington picked him up, was not a surefire thing, he'd been relegated, promoted, and had a season finishing 9th in SL.
I guess we will see how things turn out over time. One thing Hetherington is willing to do is move on from his bad calls quickly when he realises he's made a mistake, eg Dean Lance and David Furner.
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| Quote sally cinnamon="sally cinnamon"Well Agar being appointed at Leeds does prompt some questions.
If we had appointed him, we would have said typical Wire mediocrity, we lack big club mentality....could you imagine serial winners like Saints or Wigan making an appointment like that?
So why have Leeds appointed him?
It could be a stark symptom of how bare the coaching cupboard is and how hard it is to get a good coach in.
Or it could be that Gary Hetherington has seen something in Agar. He's made strange appointments before.
He appointed Daryl Powell coach straight after retiring as a player which raised eyebrows. Powell ended up being a good coach, although mostly after his Leeds spell.
He appointed Brian McDermott, when his record with London had been so-so.
Also Tony Smith at the time Hetherington picked him up, was not a surefire thing, he'd been relegated, promoted, and had a season finishing 9th in SL.
I guess we will see how things turn out over time. One thing Hetherington is willing to do is move on from his bad calls quickly when he realises he's made a mistake, eg Dean Lance and David Furner.'"
I see. Bit of a mixed bag with Hetherington, but yes he doesn't need to wait for the train wreck when he sees the club is off course.
Dean Lance - 86 games. Didn't win anything but still posted a 64% win ratio - sacked
Daryl Powell - 59 games. Didn't work out and made director of Rugby 58% win ratio.
Tony Smith - Success.
Brian McDermott - Success.
David Furner - 15 games. Didn't work out 33% win ratio - sacked
Agar ... TBD
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| Quote sally cinnamon="sally cinnamon"Now since Agar took over at Leeds, the comparison is:
Price won 7 lost 14
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Not wishing to defend Price, but he has guided us to three final appearances. How many has Agar? |
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Quote MorePlaymakersNeeded="MorePlaymakersNeeded"Not wishing to defend Price, but he has guided us to three final appearances. How many has Agar?'"
2 of those were outside the comparison period so its not like for like, but you do make a fair point of course that excluding the fact that Price has literally won the Challenge Cup does change things, and most Wire fans would surely have preferred the Wire outcome over that time period than the Leeds one under Agar.
Back to my point about Hetherington and Agar. Perhaps the answer is in terms of the set up that they have there with Sinfield as Director of Rugby which means Agar's role is more limited than a Wire head coach would be.
The thing that nobody could understand with Agar was why he always seemed to get good wraps from people inside the game as being a good coach, at various clubs....and players stuck up for him on twitter as well when he got stick. It could be that he is good at what he does - in the way that Steve McLaren was rated very highly by the United players and Sir Alex Ferguson when he was in his role with them. So maybe Hetherington and Sinfield have realised that Agar has some strengths and have found a role for him that works and a set up around him that is helping them improve again after a dip last year.
Also, as an aside (one for Wires71 in particular), I came across this on the Leeds website: https://www.therhinos.co.uk/2019/05/12/ ... herington/ from last year when Leeds were really struggling.
Look at the tone from Hetherington in that statement - honest, self-reflective and professional - and contrast it with the type of statement that would come out of our management following a period of underachievement, which would invariably include some pithy platitude about our lofty ambitions to be the best of the best of the super elite sporting brands. |
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Quote MorePlaymakersNeeded="MorePlaymakersNeeded"Not wishing to defend Price, but he has guided us to three final appearances. How many has Agar?'"
2 of those were outside the comparison period so its not like for like, but you do make a fair point of course that excluding the fact that Price has literally won the Challenge Cup does change things, and most Wire fans would surely have preferred the Wire outcome over that time period than the Leeds one under Agar.
Back to my point about Hetherington and Agar. Perhaps the answer is in terms of the set up that they have there with Sinfield as Director of Rugby which means Agar's role is more limited than a Wire head coach would be.
The thing that nobody could understand with Agar was why he always seemed to get good wraps from people inside the game as being a good coach, at various clubs....and players stuck up for him on twitter as well when he got stick. It could be that he is good at what he does - in the way that Steve McLaren was rated very highly by the United players and Sir Alex Ferguson when he was in his role with them. So maybe Hetherington and Sinfield have realised that Agar has some strengths and have found a role for him that works and a set up around him that is helping them improve again after a dip last year.
Also, as an aside (one for Wires71 in particular), I came across this on the Leeds website: https://www.therhinos.co.uk/2019/05/12/ ... herington/ from last year when Leeds were really struggling.
Look at the tone from Hetherington in that statement - honest, self-reflective and professional - and contrast it with the type of statement that would come out of our management following a period of underachievement, which would invariably include some pithy platitude about our lofty ambitions to be the best of the best of the super elite sporting brands. | |
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Quote sally cinnamon="sally cinnamon"2 of those were outside the comparison period so its not like for like, but you do make a fair point of course that excluding the fact that Price has literally won the Challenge Cup does change things, and most Wire fans would surely have preferred the Wire outcome over that time period than the Leeds one under Agar.
Back to my point about Hetherington and Agar. Perhaps the answer is in terms of the set up that they have there with Sinfield as Director of Rugby which means Agar's role is more limited than a Wire head coach would be.
The thing that nobody could understand with Agar was why he always seemed to get good wraps from people inside the game as being a good coach, at various clubs....and players stuck up for him on twitter as well when he got stick. It could be that he is good at what he does - in the way that Steve McLaren was rated very highly by the United players and Sir Alex Ferguson when he was in his role with them. So maybe Hetherington and Sinfield have realised that Agar has some strengths and have found a role for him that works and a set up around him that is helping them improve again after a dip last year.
Also, as an aside (one for Wires71 in particular), I came across this on the Leeds website: https://www.therhinos.co.uk/2019/05/12/ ... herington/ from last year when Leeds were really struggling.
Look at the tone from Hetherington in that statement - honest, self-reflective and professional - and contrast it with the type of statement that would come out of our management following a period of underachievement, which would invariably include some pithy platitude about our lofty ambitions to be the best of the best of the super elite sporting brands.
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If Agar is believed to be a very good coach by everyone within the game, then why didn't he get the gig and replace TS when he stood down.
Does anyone know if Agar applied, was considered, or interviewed for the head coaches position with us?
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Quote sally cinnamon="sally cinnamon"2 of those were outside the comparison period so its not like for like, but you do make a fair point of course that excluding the fact that Price has literally won the Challenge Cup does change things, and most Wire fans would surely have preferred the Wire outcome over that time period than the Leeds one under Agar.
Back to my point about Hetherington and Agar. Perhaps the answer is in terms of the set up that they have there with Sinfield as Director of Rugby which means Agar's role is more limited than a Wire head coach would be.
The thing that nobody could understand with Agar was why he always seemed to get good wraps from people inside the game as being a good coach, at various clubs....and players stuck up for him on twitter as well when he got stick. It could be that he is good at what he does - in the way that Steve McLaren was rated very highly by the United players and Sir Alex Ferguson when he was in his role with them. So maybe Hetherington and Sinfield have realised that Agar has some strengths and have found a role for him that works and a set up around him that is helping them improve again after a dip last year.
Also, as an aside (one for Wires71 in particular), I came across this on the Leeds website: https://www.therhinos.co.uk/2019/05/12/ ... herington/ from last year when Leeds were really struggling.
Look at the tone from Hetherington in that statement - honest, self-reflective and professional - and contrast it with the type of statement that would come out of our management following a period of underachievement, which would invariably include some pithy platitude about our lofty ambitions to be the best of the best of the super elite sporting brands.
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If Agar is believed to be a very good coach by everyone within the game, then why didn't he get the gig and replace TS when he stood down.
Does anyone know if Agar applied, was considered, or interviewed for the head coaches position with us?
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The noises I heard were that Agar held the squad together during the end game of TS's reign and got on with the training and coaching regime. Also that he was very well liked by the Wire squad. I suppose because Agar was TS's right hand man, played squash with him etc, he was seen as part and parcel of TS's management and therefore had to go, but that is just a guess.
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Wire never lost a game that Agar was in charge for, while TS was taking time away.
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Quote sally cinnamon="sally cinnamon"
Also, as an aside (one for Wires71 in particular), I came across this on the Leeds website: https://www.therhinos.co.uk/2019/05/12/ ... herington/ from last year when Leeds were really struggling.
Look at the tone from Hetherington in that statement - honest, self-reflective and professional - and contrast it with the type of statement that would come out of our management following a period of underachievement, which would invariably include some pithy platitude about our lofty ambitions to be the best of the best of the super elite sporting brands.'"
Good post - I remember that statement at the time and was impressed with its honesty and candour. It shows that Hetherington cares about the fans and their expectations. It shows a problem has been recognised (rather than a blip or just teething trouble) and that a plan has been put in place to remedy the problem.
What do we get? Nothing official but a quote in the town newspaper about children teasing at school, Caroline Flack comparisons and how its "not a Warrington performance" whatever that is now. |
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Quote sally cinnamon="sally cinnamon"
Also, as an aside (one for Wires71 in particular), I came across this on the Leeds website: https://www.therhinos.co.uk/2019/05/12/ ... herington/ from last year when Leeds were really struggling.
Look at the tone from Hetherington in that statement - honest, self-reflective and professional - and contrast it with the type of statement that would come out of our management following a period of underachievement, which would invariably include some pithy platitude about our lofty ambitions to be the best of the best of the super elite sporting brands.'"
Good post - I remember that statement at the time and was impressed with its honesty and candour. It shows that Hetherington cares about the fans and their expectations. It shows a problem has been recognised (rather than a blip or just teething trouble) and that a plan has been put in place to remedy the problem.
What do we get? Nothing official but a quote in the town newspaper about children teasing at school, Caroline Flack comparisons and how its "not a Warrington performance" whatever that is now. | |
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