Quote: Redvee69 "But you cant pick and choose timescales to measure success you have to look at the whole history of the game, prior to 1960 aston villa were the most successfull club in football so does this make liverpool and united "non entitys"
Wigan went 27 years without a championship and leeds 32 but along with saints those clubs have had far more success than warrington, you might not like it but its a fact
Warringtons trophy count since 1895 puts them in the third tier of successfull clubs alongside the likes of swinton, huddersfield and halifax and if you just go off championships they are probably in the fouth tier keeping company with widnes,salford and featherstone and until you win another 5/6/7 league titles this will not change and neither will peoples perceptions of warrington as a small club with a big mouth'"
I can pick and choose as I please, depending on the point I'm wishing to make; I'm talking about rugby league, so not sure why you wish to divert the thread to soccer.
You seem to be trying to create an argument with me, rather than wishing to address the point I made. That's fine, if you don't wish to engage in this particular discussion, but I'm not going to get into a silly "we're more successful than you" conversation; if nothing else, it would be rather daft of me, as indisputably Saints have had more success over the whole of the game's history. This fact therefore isn't very interesting, and doesn't warrant discussion IMHO.
What I find more stimulating is considering how the modern day mindset of fans, and the culture of a club is impacted by its origins and it's development alongside that of the sport. So what impact does the fact that Saints were a minor club for the first approx 80 years of northern rugby, before an intense period of success catapulted them to the top echelon of the game have on them today? Your responses so far could be interpreted a certain way too, as you seem somewhat uneasy or unwilling to accept that for a very long time your team were not held in the same regard as now.
The weight of history bears down stronger than most people appreciate.
