I can pick and choose as I please, depending on the point I'm wishing to make; I'm talking about rugby league, so not sure why you wish to divert the thread to soccer.

You seem to be trying to create an argument with me, rather than wishing to address the point I made. That's fine, if you don't wish to engage in this particular discussion, but I'm not going to get into a silly "we're more successful than you" conversation; if nothing else, it would be rather daft of me, as indisputably Saints have had more success over the whole of the game's history. This fact therefore isn't very interesting, and doesn't warrant discussion IMHO.

What I find more stimulating is considering how the modern day mindset of fans, and the culture of a club is impacted by its origins and it's development alongside that of the sport. So what impact does the fact that Saints were a minor club for the first approx 80 years of northern rugby, before an intense period of success catapulted them to the top echelon of the game have on them today? Your responses so far could be interpreted a certain way too, as you seem somewhat uneasy or unwilling to accept that for a very long time your team were not held in the same regard as now.

The weight of history bears down stronger than most people appreciate.

10 Oct 1982.Warrington 26 Widnes 6.

I Cannot recall Widnes ever playing at Wilderspool in our second strip.

I think a minor riot emanating from the Railway End would have brought about a swift about turn from the Chemics if they ran out in the P&B. I don't remember that either.

I vaguely remember a game with us and not having the right shorts or wearing the other teams shorts.
But very vague...it was however shorts whatever it was.

It happened, I was there amongst 5000 others.It was the blue jerseys with the letter W on the breast.I have a grainy picture but not sure how to upload.I can email it to anybody interested.Poor quality picture but you can just make out the W on the shirt of Stuart Wright.Proper fixture, not a friendly game.