Im not sure you can put too much down to the 12 men argument. Many a time 12 men come out on top including us at your place a few years ago when we didn’t have a prayer with 13! However to me you look a better side than Wigan in spite of the result and if I was you I’d be encouraged! Where did Jason Clark find his improvement? MOM for me. The ref did you no favours and although I agree with the sending off I think it was unfortunate. Widdop could be the X factor you’re missing in attack! Ratchford ain’t a half back and King is the worst offensive centre in the league! Ashton looks a mega signing and I’d love to see him get an extended run at FB and Ratchford replacing King in the centre. I think you’ll lose again next week but having seen that tonight I think you’ll be well in the mix this year!

I can’t give FT an argument.

I can "had it remained 13 a side (Wigan) would have won comfortably"......right......

Look on the bright side Duckie. You might get a few more points in the prediction competition now you finally realise that constantly betting on Wire to win and Wigan to lose is not the percentage bet.

Can't say I blame you. I wouldn't bet against mine either.

I'm interested to know if you still stand by you're preseason assessment that Wire on a different level to Wigan? 4 games in and Wigan are getting better and better whereas Wire have dropped off a cliff already. Early days, I know, but your initial assessment never seemed to have much credence in the first place and is looking more like the ramblings of a madman by the week.