Yes you're right. no player starts a game without the desire to win, nobody wants to lose. But desire means more than just having that mindset, it also needs to be translated into their actions on the pitch. Putting their bodies on the line, challenging for all 50-50 balls, bending their backs to knock their opponents down, driving the ball in and making the hard yards, getting into the opponents faces and disrupting their game. These actions were largely missing on Saturday with many players simply going through the motions, hence my comment that they lacked desire. But what do I know, I only played and coached the game for over 40 years.

I don't think we should be pinning hopes on Currie. When he returned he was only a shadow of his former self.

Even duckie supports a second referendum on TS now.

I give credit where due and no one is free from the ducky quack when I think they have blame.

I lay the blame off our GF losses with TS, unwise bench selection...dropping Hodgson and stuff. However he could motivate the team right.

What i see as our biggest undoing in many games is being slow starters ,whether first or second half. The try in the second minute was ,i believe ,our biggest undoing at Wembley , just as we took our eye off the ball against Saints at the start of the 2nd half a few weeks ago. That was our downfall in a game that we should have won. Many times, just after half time, our heads look anywhere but on the pitch in a game of rugby. 80 minute rugby would help our results no end ,just like the top teams do.
And we still had this problem when TS was in charge.

I said the day or two before our game....in more than 70% of the time, the team that scores first wins.