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Quote: rubber duckie "It's simple. Over 23 or 30 games.
You can bet both.
It's all about the probability...what happened last season has almost no factor on what happens this season but the limited knowledge means that is all a bookmaker will go with.

....however BWW does gave a valid point...Wire did have a run in of form....this the bookies have overlooked while focusing on the larger picture of Wires finish position in 2017...Leeds finished 2016 with the same sort of predicament and carried the form through into 2017.

Still the larger picture not taking form into it, is Wire and Wigan, have the strongest teams in the competition on paper...I have a rule...a big good un is better than a small good un.
Spend the most money and you have the biggest squad, unless the money isn't spent wisely.

So there you have it...Wire at 6/1 and Pies at 9/2... the probability is that one of these teams WILL finish top...you could bet them both at those odds....you could even ask for odds of 1st and 2nd as a forcast...which I only just thought of now, so I'll be down the bookies to enquire of that.

I already got greedy and bet on Wire early doors, bet the double with the cc...I don't have enough money to take proper advantage of 6/1.'"


I hope you have not bet the league and cup double every year for the last 63 years. icon_wink.gif

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Quote: AS108 "Currie is a great player if he can stay injury free but I don’t rate Dom Crosby at all. I think Saints will boss this season winning the shield and grand final with hull to win the cup again.'"


Not quite sure whether your a scouser or from East Yorkshire?

If your a Saint then I don't know where your Optimism is coming from. Have you made any signings this off season? You played 20 minutes of scintillating footie in the semi final and that was it.

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If Atkins could pass a ball he would be dynamite. The trouble is he gets a rush of blood every time he gets the ball and goes himself. There is nothing like a centre who can draw a man and pass to his winger. Creates so many more doubts in the defenders mind. He runs hard and can make the break, but he usually gets shut down before he does.

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Lineham has a surprisingly high strike rate and his stats from the last few years are impressive. Sometimes though last season (especially towards the end) he looked amateur against the lower teams in defence, regularly getting pushed off and waltzed past... I'm hoping it was just his attitude and that Price can fix his drive for professionalism. There's no doubting Lineham is a talent but he's not nearly performing up to his price tag.

Atkins may not pass much but he's generally solid in defence and scores when he's got the ball near the line. He doesn't look any less athletic than he was during the trophy-winning years, but regarding his passing - if it could be fixed it would have been by now. There aren't many good centres available so I guess we should be blessed we have one that scores regularly.

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Quote: easyWire "Lineham has a surprisingly high strike rate and his stats from the last few years are impressive. Sometimes though last season (especially towards the end) he looked amateur against the lower teams in defence, regularly getting pushed off and waltzed past... I'm hoping it was just his attitude and that Price can fix his drive for professionalism. There's no doubting Lineham is a talent but he's not nearly performing up to his price tag.

Atkins may not pass much but he's generally solid in defence and scores when he's got the ball near the line. He doesn't look any less athletic than he was during the trophy-winning years, but regarding his passing - if it could be fixed it would have been by now. There aren't many good centres available so I guess we should be blessed we have one that scores regularly.'"


I agree with everything you say Easy Wire. I think as do many who sit around me and who i meet up with at half time that Atkins would not look out of place in the second row. For all sense and purposes he is fulfilling the role of a second row with what he does. Strong runner in that he is difficult to slow down or stop when he is going for it!, Big and tackles when his attitude is right.

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I think he could extend his career by 3 4 years if he could effectively make the switch to backrow.
Not that he's too fussed, he's a barber now, so not only one at Saints, we've got his match!

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