Where did we do pre-season in 2011 which every one holds up as the glory year although we didn’t even make a final?

Do you not think that was our best side?

i dont think ive seen anyone hold up 2011 as a glory year..... i think its held up as it was the best team we had. It was certainly a candidate for the best rugby ive ever seen Warrington play.

There was certainly no glory in seeing that team come out of the season without a trophy... if anything it's been held up as 'if Smith couldn't win the GF win this team, what chance does he have with this current one'... which wasn't entirely fair, as all teams were stronger in 2011... Still.

Where was the pre-season that year?

2011 is the equivalent of the Morley tackle on Harrison Hansen. Impressive but we still lost. And the Langer ball steal on Martin.

Small time mentality.

Martyn of course

i have no idea.... i remember us losing the opening game though at the magic weekend.

So lets not do that again, whatever it was.

Quite. I doubt you’ll find much correlation between our pre-season location and our performance that season

Bear Grylls?

I think we only started warm weather training in 2010 -

2010 - Tenerife
2011 - Tenerife
2012 - Australia
2013 - Tenerife
2014 - Australia
2015 - Tenerife
2016 - Tenerife
2017 - Tenerife

There are many reasons why we've played crap some years, class in others, sometimes won silverware, sometimes not, and lost a few GFs.

But going somewhere for warm weather training pre-season probably ranks about 37th in that list.

You must know him?

Yes but we are a rugby club not the boy scouts