+1 for me here. We perhaps need to create a new starting 13 almost, but with the number of players leaving, we need good squad players. That said, if he has the chance for regular game time in home country, can't blame him.
Would hope he may return.

Im a bit baffled as to why you Continue to bang on about the pack being the cause of everything bad about wire last year.

Yes the pack weren't fabulous our interchanges often performed well below expectations, but how that affects wingers being woeful in defence, being unable to do the basics like catch draw and pass, or our halfbacks being unable to create tries after three repeat sets on the opposition line..?

It was a general poor effort from all players and those players of limited ability were highlighted and for me Hughes was one of those. he's as ordinary as ordinary can be .....What's his particular skill
Currie has pace
Westwood has mongrel and desire for hard work
Westerman was a decent ball player
Julien had effort enthusiasm and an occasional big hit.

Jack Hughes just played every game (or it felt like it at least).....!!!!
He even played . ..was very ordinary against lower league opposition and still got praised by the coach...

He should find himself on the edges of our team not a central figure.

I have to agree TFB Hughes looked solid/dependable when he first arrived and his form, maybe a confidence thing, declined to the point last year where he should have been unplayable and not in a good way. I don't think he was outstanding in defence and he ran some awful lines in attack predictable stuttering the cut inside and for me was part of Brown's problem, more cause than effect.

A clean slate for all next year, but, out of the two if one has to go then I'd have kept Jullien he has potential and I think that Hughes' first season was as good as it gets.

Exactly, a loan out to Rochadale for Hughes where he can hopefully discover how to be a Top 4 Super League Second Rower.

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I don't except your point that you make out and I'll defend mine.
I'll recap...

Hughes came here and was much better than Westerman to my surprise...his form was solid enough throughout 2016, we even made 2 finals and as lls, he was enjoying his time and even help persuade Crosby to leave the Pies.
...in 2017 we had the poorest pack some circumstance and much of it injury plus a lack of vision from TS to recruit.
Imo...Hughes has suffered more and come in for more stick than anyone because he simply was ever present, he couldn't hide behind injury.
TS had him constantly shifting positions and playing above his weight...this being the main reason we see error after error.
Forwards make errors when they fatigue, Hughes has more reason to fatigue and error above any forward throughout 2017.
It simply isn't fare to ignore everything about and around 2017 and label Hughes as anything less than what he was in 2016.

You don't have to give the lads a break Biscuit, but it'll do your ticker a world of good if you did.

Hughes will get 100% support from me as will Brown under Price...
I still say Brown will be in the running for mos in 2018.
I underlined everything the minute TS went public about him going.

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Engaging in a debate with you Is like playing chess with a pigeon. ....even when they lose they'll on the board and strut around like they've won. ....



I'm hardly having having a pop at players left right and centre. ...

I don't think Hughes is good enough. It's a simple enough statement.

All last season while Sims was trying his hardest to drag people along to his standard of work ethic you still had the front to single him out nearly every week as being powder puff etc.. oh and cooper and Hill Atkins. ..was he one as well

Last season I stuck to pretty much one train of thought that was "Smith out" .....right from the start.. ( though I did occasionally jump on the matty Russell is hopeless train also).

Meanwhile you thought we'd win a treble and sign all sorts of mind blowing players.

I do like the fact you blindly stick to your incorrect statements. No doubt Kevin brown will win a mom against widnes next year but he was an emergency stop gap Signing by the worst recruiter this club has had. He is not man of steel material and if he gets near it what a sorry state the league will be in.

I hope Patton gets the nod over him

If that's me not giving players a break then you are too precious for words. ...

Ive bought a season ticket. ...early bird and all that. I'm giving them money as well as a break. ...

Rubber Duckie....didn't give that info... so I'll make it simple so you can take it in...No.

How about that hypocrisy had just gone off the scale.
Lol. Made my day.

Lol, no. There's more to this story. I'm sure it will all come out in the wash.

I've said it before but I'm firmly in the new regime clean slate camp.

My particular tuppence on Hughes is that he's a young guy that arrived at 23, having been previously loaned out by his parent club. He joined at a time when there was some bad dressing room juju, and things weren't all that great behind the scenes.

While elder players like Sims and Gidley can come into that environment and deal with it, you can't expect Hughes to do the same.

Couple that with practically the whole team being a stinking letdown last year, Hughes was obviously playing with zero confidence.

I'm excited to see how players like him, Lineham, Russel, Brown (yes not the future but still far better than he let on last season) and even Clark go under this new era, as these were all players signed during the latter embers of the Smith era, when things were never quite all there with us. Clark particularly, as we signed him at the beginning of our transition/slide, as the most exciting young British hooker, reigning MOS, and named in the 4 nations team of the tournament. That is unfortunately his pinnacle as things stand.