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Quote: sally cinnamon "This winning culture stuff sounds great, but it will be interesting to see how it plays out in the current era of relative player power, especially among younger players.

In recent seasons something has been creeping in to RL, where a young player comes in to the team and immediately has a load of cheerleaders on social media, and on forums, and people round him telling him how good he is. Before long he's on twitter becoming a mini celebrity and developing a precious ego. Then if his performances start to tail off, if the coach doesn't tolerate it and starts giving him home truths or drops him, all hell will break loose. The player moans to his mates, who go and post on forums along with his cheerleaders, cryptic tweets go out, rumours start that the player is unhappy, and the bad guy in the eyes of the fans is the coach. The coach is the one who is ruining young talent and risking him go elsewhere.

If Leuluai starts being tough on players that don't meet his expectations of attitude next year, I wonder if we will start seeing posts on here about 'rumours are that Leuluai is unsettling the players, causing rifts in the dressing room, X wants out it will be a shambles if we lose yet another of our great talents'.'"


I know you’re emphasising the irony a little here but it’s an interesting point. Price has said he wants to instil the right attitude from the juniors right he way up through the system and that he’ll be working very closely and be very hands-on with those aspects. I’m not saying that will serve to control all bad attitudes but it may help to give more realistic expectations and encourage juniors to bide their time.

If you look at Wigan, there’s a high level of discipline and standards from the bottom up (since Maguire?) and despite the many youngsters that roll off their production line and don’t end up staying at the club, you don’t hear of many attitude problems over being dropped etc. Look at Tierney - he’s Wigan royalty yet he’s accepted his place and it’s not on the flanks of his hometown club.

The sooner all the players subscribe to the new regime, the better. Most of the seniors seem enthusiastic about it and wanted a freshening-up of ideas.

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Quote: Jimathay "I think our attitude as fans will also be telling. Looking at Savellio, a few people's thoughts (my own included) was that we should have done more to keep him. He was a bit of a bright spark and possibly something special.

Looking at it in a different light, had we been a strong and successful team, I would probably have called him a little upstart and said we were well rid of him and his bad attitude.

If we want to be truly considered a big club, the latter should be our attitude to all young players, and they should be desperate to play for us, their only concern being "am I good enough" or "will I get my chance"'"

He didn't want to play for us...
He had offer to play for Brisane....
You have one life and opportunity doesn't always come calling twice.
Correct choice by all, there's a saying, sometimes you have to let go, but if they come back, they'll be yours forever.

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Quote: rubber duckie "sometimes you have to let go, but if they come back, they'll be yours forever.'"


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Quote: Jimathay "I think our attitude as fans will also be telling. Looking at Savellio, a few people's thoughts (my own included) was that we should have done more to keep him. He was a bit of a bright spark and possibly something special.

Looking at it in a different light, had we been a strong and successful team, I would probably have called him a little upstart and said we were well rid of him and his bad attitude.

If we want to be truly considered a big club, the latter should be our attitude to all young players, and they should be desperate to play for us, their only concern being "am I good enough" or "will I get my chance"'"


Totally agree.

Brattish players are only able to leverage hype and attention when they are in a struggling team. They leave the coach in a no-win situation. If he leaves the player out of the team, the media and fans will make a major issue out of the fact the coach is leaving one of the brightest young talents out, which fuels the bandwagon against the coach and makes the player look like a victim and enjoy more hype about how good he is, without him actually being accountable on the pitch. If the coach keeps picking him, it signals to the other players that he has no authority or discipline.

In a strong and successful team it is totally different. The brattish player acts up, gets dropped, the team keeps winning and nobody pays any attention to him, he just gets forgotten about and then ends up out on loan or released.

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Quote: rubber duckie "He didn't want to play for us... Who told you that bud?
He had offer to play for Brisane....
You have one life and opportunity doesn't always come calling twice.
Correct choice by all, there's a saying, sometimes you have to let go, but if they come back, they'll be yours forever.'"


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I think Savelio was happy enough playing for us, it's just that he wasn't ever going to turn dow a chance to play for the world's biggest rugby team - who would? They were his boyhood heroes.

I hope it works out for him, but if it doesn't theres no reason to suggest he can't return here in the future and rebuild his reputation at this club.

No hard feeling from me.

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