Really good points made here.

I have my own reservations about Karl but I think Tim Sheens put it well on the BBC rugby league podcast this week. His point was that generally you get 3 years in a role. Year 1 is all about assessing the current situ, making minor tweaks etc. Year 2 provides an opportunity for you to stamp your mark and make a difference. If Year 2 is a failure you don't often see a 3rd year. Sheens knows more about rugby that a large portion of this forum put together so I will go with his words and wait and see what Karl dishes up in Year 2.

Yet what did his predecessor actually achieve?

He left Karl a massive hole in terms of financials and sponsorship to sort out, having apparently ruined Gatcliffe and the boards even keel approach over the last 15 years as we've been pretty steady.

If you look at Draper's background, its high level, but doesn't seem to leave anywhere with a good rep, he got chased out of the LTA after under performing there, he was roundly criticized as the accounting geezer in Wembley redevelopment project which we know came in late and horrendously over budget.

And if he had been in Australia interviewing candidates, we'd be in exactly the same position, experience or not. We're fighting for NRL scraps regardless.

People like to use the kiss cam comment, it was a response to a specific query over the new screen and tarting up match day, apparently if our Rog had suggested it, it would have been another one of his great ideas, like the DJ and saxamaphone player, the (unsafe) selfie squad in the middle of the field during warm ups and his incredibly devisive 'official fan club.

Good question. I hate the new logo and that's pretty much all we have left from his reign, other than the website which again, good, but but great.

Roger Draper was/is an absolute charlatan in a sharp suit. During his reign at the LTA he claimed the end of the 77 year wait for a male singles Wimbledon champion was somehow down to him and not the talent and years of dedication from Andy Murray. Didn't see you collect SPOTY that year Roger. I'd love to read the absolute claptrap he has on his CV.

No I did not attend being an 'out of towner' as it was not feasible but have been a season ticket holder for over 35 years I have an interest in the goings on at the club. Not sure what your point is here. I am saying that he has some character to do what he is doing regarding the face the fans sessions and well done to him for that. It would be far easier to do this after we had won a Grand Final. You say he does not pick or sack the coaches well I am sure you are right it must be a collective decision. I would say that if, as you say, he provides the list from which the new coach will be picked I would consider that quite an important contribution to the while exercise. If he is tasked with going out and speaking to a pre-compiled list I would say that this is also a important contribution tho the process.