Obviously the RFL have to put out the right spin, but sponsors, the press and the general public aren't daft, and rows of empty seats be it at Wembley, the HJ, Wigan or Salford tell their own tale.

What they say outwardly is one thing, but behind close doors they should be very concerned about the state of the game. Sadly, the RFL are the great pretenders and I suspect they are all raising a sherry (or a yard of stout in Nigels case) and indulging in collective back-slapping.

Yep, although I think the clubs need to stand up too. Would seem to me both ourselves and the pie fans in particular have been very critical of the playing style this year especially.

I think thats the point i was trying to make, and i really do get what your saying about Draper's comments, yes i guess it would be wrong for him make the comments we pretty much know is the truth. What morrisey as just said shows that. It's all well and good Sky being the main pay masters but the sporr is nothing without fan's and the dross that is being served up this season is nothing to get excited about.

Its quite pitiful really... I cant see Hull KR slipping up now so i believe two Superleague sides will thrash it out in the million pound game.

if Catalan dragons go down the damage to the French Game will be irreparable.

Like it or not we are not football and cannot simply replace one good club with another.

If Catalan do go down and I expect them to, I wouldn't be surprised to see them resign from the RFL and go back to playing in France.

Clearly the travel is not helping their cause as they have a poor record on the road. It makes sense to play in France and along with Toulouse become two big French clubs driving the game forward back in France.

our league is in a right state we dont need to ruin the French game as well.

Would we be complaining so much if we’d had a good season?

It is a strange system though, for sure. The super 8s are effectively a play off to reach the play offs, to reach the grand final.

It’s all starting to look random and unnecessary, what’s the long term aim?

I bet if we held a competition for correctly naming the format for 2019, nobody would get it right. Beyond that is anyone’s guess - we’ll all be off to Mars for ‘Galactic Weekend’.