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Dont understand all the Gidley bashing, from a Wigan fan perspective (me) he was awesome, he ran his blood to water, and I firmly believe if Wire had won, he'd have clearly been MOM. Someone else posted somewhere that if Gidley had been playing for Wigan we'd have beaten you by a lot more. Gidley and Sandow (if he stays) will have you moving round the pitch with ease again next season and you'll be there abouts again at the business end again.

As for Ratchford......I'd have him at Wigan in a heartbeat, he is class!!! When he was at Salford he was unplayable at centre, selected for England etc, Wire buy him and play him everywhere but centre......doh!!!! I agree, if we had Gells and Ratch in the centres at Wigan we would take some stopping.

Thankyou for your contribution to what I thought was a great blood and thunder Grand Final, which was played at a 100 MPH. Your fans were a credit to the club and all the Wire fans we met after the game were extremely gracious in defeat. Keep the faith as you will be competing for the big trophies again next season.


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Quote: marshman777 "Not sure what we are going to get more from Cooper than we are from Sims. If Sims gets a slagging off on here then Cooper will only have a 2 week grace before he is fair game as there stats are very similar
Cooper - Hit Ups 283, Clean Breaks 1,Off Loads 14
Sims - Hit ups 381, Clean Breaks 1, Off Loads 64
After watching Cooper for all his games in the NRL and before they are very similar players either will break the line, but both will get you a quick play the ball.
Cooper doesn't off load but Sims will, Cooper goes in at first receiver and passes before the line, Sims doesn't.
They will both be great for us or next season in very different ways than Hill. Hill makes great yards, is a penalty machine (especially near our own sticks with holding down) but is really slow at the play he ball. Very Different styles and great a great mix.
Not looked at Crosby's stats as he hasn't signed but seems more of a Hill than a Sims
I am looking forward to seeing them all work together as they form a good mix.'"


Unfair about Hill being a penalty machine as most seem to be caused by the fatigue he gets due to his ridiculously high work rate and long minutes.

He will be more effective without such a weak bench.

Incidentally is anyone aware there is another full-time prop right now in the first team squad and that was definitely the most bizarre signing of many years.

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Quote: Dezzies_right_hook "Would also say that successfully clubs have had world class centres in the teams. Lyon newlove connoly king etc I personally do jot believe that that's a coincidence and still stand by my statement that with evens n penny in the team we will win love all. Yes packs eine dominant is important however to win a game we have to score more than the other team.'"
haven't your read my post?
We won at Hull FC with Evans and Penny in the team. It was in effect a cup final, and treated by both teams, the fans and Sky TV as one.
We won the LLS sheild.
You could however correct it and say we won't win love all 'AGAIN'. Then it's only your opinion so I cannot say otherwise.

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You're a really good side, but missing Sandow, Gidley, Westwood, Currie, for key moments at the business end has cost you , Gidley hasn't looked the same player since getting smashed at Wembley. Sandown is a shadow of early season pre injury form, when they as a pair were the best in the League. You've lost the best 2nd rower in SL, as well as your talisman Benny. My good you've done brilliant to get so close . It's heartbreaking I know but don't talk yourselfs into believing your not good enough. You maybe need to buy some class at centre and I'd bin Sims, brings very little, and no grunt or line bend which he should be as a prop. Wire you are a bit of bad luck away from being a chmpuon side.

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Quote: marshman777 "Not sure what we are going to get more from Cooper than we are from Sims. If Sims gets a slagging off on here then Cooper will only have a 2 week grace before he is fair game as there stats are very similar
Cooper - Hit Ups 283, Clean Breaks 1,Off Loads 14
Sims - Hit ups 381, Clean Breaks 1, Off Loads 64
After watching Cooper for all his games in the NRL and before they are very similar players either will break the line, but both will get you a quick play the ball.
Cooper doesn't off load but Sims will, Cooper goes in at first receiver and passes before the line, Sims doesn't.
They will both be great for us or next season in very different ways than Hill. Hill makes great yards, is a penalty machine (especially near our own sticks with holding down) but is really slow at the play he ball. Very Different styles and great a great mix.
Not looked at Crosby's stats as he hasn't signed but seems more of a Hill than a Sims
I am looking forward to seeing them all work together as they form a good mix.'"


Cooper also has an average gain of 9.2m over 283 carries. There are only 11 players in SL better than that (13 if you count those with less than 10 carries), and the only forward in that 11 is Clark. Hill's work rate beats Cooper, but I think they will be fighting next season for most metres made. For comparison, Hill's is 8.2m, Sims' is 6.7m and Crosby's is 7.7m.

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Quote: Jaywire "Cooper also has an average gain of 9.2m over 283 carries. There are only 11 players in SL better than that (13 if you count those with less than 10 carries), and the only forward in that 11 is Clark. Hill's work rate beats Cooper, but I think they will be fighting next season for most metres made. For comparison, Hill's is 8.2m, Sims' is 6.7m and Crosby's is 7.7m.'"


What a pack that would be, I really hope it happens.

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