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Quote: Wire Yed "I haven't enjoyed either GF, and that includes when we were winning, i love my live games, both of those were torture and if we get there again it will continue to be torture.

Challenge cup final games I've loved, even the ones we have been beat in the past, don't know what it is, but they're not fun'"


I have exactly the same feelings. I don't know what it is, maybe something to do with where they're played or when (cold evening) or that it feels like there's more to lose if we've done well in the league. It might be that my memories of the occasion are clouded because I've always come away so disappointed.

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On the other hand ,"matches like that" could give the impression ,real or imagined, that the salary cap is working.

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Quote: Winslade's Offload "Ah, so you are happy to accept defeats by middle to lower table teams, providing they are not in the play offs or Grand Final. And how do you propose to avoid these defeats ? On the one hand you seem to accept they are inevitable, on the other hand they are not allowed to happen in important matches.

The problem in accepting that 'there are going to be matches like that' lowers the expectation of the team from winning to second best. And before you know it, there have been several 'matches like that', team morale has started to fall, and all of a sudden you are no longer in the top four. A winning mentality is just as important as assembling a team with top class players like Sandow, Gidley, Hill and Clark.'"

I agree with most of this, and am never 'happy' to lose. However, I don't remember a team ever playing through a season undefeated, it's really not something any side can expect, even when they go into every match believing they will win. Facing that reality, it's actually less damaging to lose to an 'outsider' than to a rival for the top four.

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Quote: Asgardian13 "I agree with most of this, and am never 'happy' to lose. However, I don't remember a team ever playing through a season undefeated, it's really not something any side can expect, even when they go into every match believing they will win. Facing that reality, it's actually less damaging to lose to an 'outsider' than to a rival for the top four.'"



Shirley, it depends what you mean by "damaging"? Getting a beating from an outsider could be construed as a 'bad day at the Office', or the underdog raising their game in a one off, 'playing in their cup final'. On the other hand, losing by the odd point to one of your rivals, perhaps last minute away, might just give a team the belief that they are themselves worthy of being a contender. It's about how you react, hopefully we will bounce back.

IMO it's never clear cut especially it seems this season.

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You know Rico, you could be right that Saints victory over us earlier in the season could have been their cup final.

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[quote="Eddie Hemmings said not ":1h9um51j] "Remember last time they were here, the Huddersfield Giants, they lost to a Luke Walsh drop goal. He's only scored four drop goals in his St Helens career has Luke Walsh and each and every one of them have been scored by Luke Walsh"[/quote:1h9um51j]:



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You know Rico, you could be right that Saints victory over us earlier in the season could have been their cup final.'"

I thought, with the way their fans go wild after each victory, that every game against us is their cup final.

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