Thought Roy went ok last night. The one thing I'll give England is he is enthusiastic. At least he's putting the 100% in, and I think critics are being overly harsh. Wood on the other hand looks completely useless.

Spot on.Think Woody needs to go + England should step up to the plate when he get chances which he doesn't seem to be doing + think i've said enough on Asotasi in previous threads so no point in wasting any more internet space on him.

Apologies for going off thread a bit, as I didn't want to start a new thread just about him, but one guy who was seemingly talked about last season much more than this season is the other Ben who we really need now to step up and play, Ben Currie. I know he is still young but focussed as we are on our pack resources at the moment what are people's thoughts on his development this season?

I dont think I've been more disappointed with a junior coming through the ranks than Ben Currie. I haven't seen a single asset that makes me think Oh he's good.

He doesn't break tackles, he doesn't run through gaps, he doesn't smash people in defence, he doesn't put players through gaps with nice passing. He doesn't't Offload, and he has average pace for a back rower.

It won't sit well with people because he's only 19 - 20 and filled in well enough for Trent in the ten game run.

But I think the boy is rubbish. its just my opinion and no one has to agree. But I fully expect his names will be in one of Sallys post when bagging us all when we are taking about the next big prospect in the academy set up.

Oh and Roy ....... Hes bad. ... He made a decent run on 70 minutes.....seventy minutes. ..
To quote Darryl Brohman.... His wife should be embarrassed for him.

Asotasi is the worst signing I have ever seen us make. He is garbage. When you finish the game with asotasi and wood, two props who only run sideways, it doesn't bode well. Absolutely sure, get rid

Must admit, watching the game last night I dont notice that if Roy found himself in a defensive tackle his first thoughts appeared to be "how do I get out of here and get back 10+" rather than "nobody else here, better step up and play marker".

The Asotasi era was summed up when he was driven back by the Wigan defence and offerred about as much resistance as an Afghan hut in a missile attack. More damning was the fact his teammates weren't exactly rushing to assist him.

The days of props rampaging through the defensive line or dragging defenders on their back for extra metres may be virtually gone, although in Chris Hill we have one of the few props who still does it regularly, but that doesn't excuse the woeful work ethic. I note the bagging of England on here with some dissapproval; he has taken a huge step up in terms of demand but his progress and attitude tells me he will make it. He may not be starting prop next year but, on the back of a good pre-season, I'd bet on him being in the 17 every week. I'd have him, and the likes of him, over the likes of Asotasi every time.

Waste of a peg in the dressing room.

Bugger off, Roy. I've (and 9000 others) had enough

I think people are seeing what they want to with Roy now. He actually went pretty well last night. At the absolute least he did the job asked. Yeah he was driven back in a tackle, a good three man tackle, which prop hasnt been? At one point he made 3 tackles on the bounce pretty much from marker. I'm done with wasting negativity on him, i'm seeing a change in attitude from Roy, and I actually think he's starting to settle.

*puts tin hat on*

I agree with the positives on England. He's not the finished article yet but always gives 100% and has made huge progress.

If you watch Asotasi, he simply jogs forward with the ball, there is no attempt to run hard at the opposition at all. And that is pretty evident when you look at the yardage he makes. Yes he is 32, but Morley showed far more effort and determination at 36. It looks as though Asotasi is viewing this as his last pay day before retirement and is determined to protect his body from injury. But he must be on something North of £160,000. So not only are we a prop short in the pack but we are paying through the nose for the privilege. And on top of that he must be seriously pi888ng off the younger players who work twice as hard and probably only earn 40-50% of what he does. TS needs to admit he has made a mistake, stop wittering on about acclimatisation, and get rid of him.