It was a late hit/contact. There was no shoulder involved.

What backside put Ganson in charge of referees?

I wouldn't put him in charge of the school tuck shop.

Some one posted a video of wires widnes 1985 ...I defy anyone to say the game has moved on for the better.

Thirty years on our games core skill is slowing the play the ball. .....

Well the gamecan just Love off.... its absolutely garbage and a simpleton is in charge of it.

Ganson as a ref missed loads and people confuse that with letting the game go. Gypsies could have set up camp on the ten metre line last night and Bentham wouldn't have spotted them.

A close and exciting game but standards all round were poor.

So he made contact with what then? His face? His backside? Seriously lol

Would agree with a lot of your fair comments, but as you say he did miss the Sarginson pull off, but having said that it was hardly on a par with the Wood incident in respect that at least wire did get his error put right on the Sarginson one.

Question 1 : Have you actually seen the incident?

Question 2 : Do you know what part of the human body the shoulder is?

If the answer to the above two questions is yes then I cant see what the hell you are questioning

You really are a whopper.

You make a tackle with shoulder contact then hit and stick. McIlorum made no attempt to complete the tackle.

Answer the question; what did he use to make contact? Simple question, simple answer.

How can it be a shoulder charge when he didn't use his shoulder?



It was a check, he didn't turn his body at all. He ran straight towards him and hit him facing forwards on which would have been a perfect tackle had he still got the ball. The ball had gone and he got there too late hence he will have to possibly answer a charge for a late hit.

If you honestly think it was a shoulder charge then you are letting the defeat cloud your judgement or you don't have a clue.

Exactly! Answer your own question what did he make contact with that seems to be so vicious to you! When I got home I looked at it again and I’m not saying it was a bit of nowt, but it wasn’t as bad on his part as some are trying to make out.

I think what Mark is trying to say is , Whats the part of your body that connects your neck to your arm ? Thats the point that made contact ?

come on, Pellisier and Elima are way dirtier

The part of the eye that is connected to the brain doesn’t seem to be making contact in some people. Bad tackle yes, shoulder, no.