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If we insist on keeping Myler we have to get someone in who can boss a game and he can support. I've said for some time he is a support player not a playmaker and for some reason TS hasn't noticed this after several years of trying. It happened every time Briers was injured or rested and is still happening now. I also fear we've wasted a promising talent in GOB with TS refusal to trust him yet trust in a player who has been proven not to be up to the task.
Ratch's best position for me has always been full back, he tore teams apart when given a go there resulting in an England call up in said position and he tore it up then too. For a brief period i thought we'd found our own Sam Tomkins during that period. An injury here and there and he get dragged somewhere else and we end up putting him as makeshift centre and pop someone else in at makeshift FB. Obviously we have Russell now and he's got bgs of potential but ousted someone who at this point would be reaching his peak had he been left there to develop.
I don't know what the answers are, all i know is this is not a team in transition, it's a team that has been in in a slow descent since 2011 and i lost faith in TS when he essentially said the mauling by Saints at the start of the year was a trial game.

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Quote: morleys_deckchair "I have to disagree strongly with that.. going forward he has been almost completely anonymous. I think he has the lowest meterage of all out regular forwards for over 2 season now. Last season he made 244 carries in the whole season.. Westwood made 413

looks at the meters made

Hill - 3131
Westwood - 2895
Wood - 2518
Grix - 2384
Cooper - 1951
Carvell - 1900
Waterhouse 1490

And i bet the majority of those meters were in their half when were winning... when the chips are down and were pinned near our line. You wont see by trent near the ball if he can help it.'"


That is what winds us up: He never puts his hand up for the hard yards and red zone carries.

Lazy?

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Quote: mark_m "That is what winds us up

I saw a defence of it on here once that went something like 'maybe thats what Smith is asking him to do'.

[i"ok trenty... when the oppo is near our line and were under the cosh, it would be just lovely if you could go stand on the wing for a bit.. is that ok mate?.. dont worry, Benny Westwood will just carry the ball in twice every set.. we don't want you hurting yourself and ruining that lovely defence do we?"[/i

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If Briers was the crutch that supported our team & made it sparkle ,then it's a pretty damning indictment of our coaching staff not to have restored some of what has been missing for over 12 months ago when Lee's career effectively came to an end. They are supposed to be top professional RL coaches .
Contrast Daryl Powell at Cas who has so far turned a squad of mainly journeymen & cast offs into a very good, confident side.

Should it have told us something when Gary Chambers moved on ,& now Poaching & Marshall are warming the tandem up for a quick end of season get away.

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Quote: morleys_deckchair "I have to disagree strongly with that.. going forward he has been almost completely anonymous. I think he has the lowest meterage of all out regular forwards for over 2 season now. Last season he made 244 carries in the whole season.. Westwood made 413

looks at the meters made

Hill - 3131
Westwood - 2895
Wood - 2518
Grix - 2384
Cooper - 1951
Carvell - 1900
Waterhouse 1490

And i bet the majority of those meters were in their half when were winning... when the chips are down and were pinned near our line. You wont see big trent near the ball if he can help it.'"



Now, for all those who've got the life size posters of "House" on their ceilings, hoping the blu-tack will give way, I'd say those figures are pretty damning.

I've never been a lover of stats, they can cloud judgement (in a Godfather way).
I'd rather judge a player with what I see with the naked eye.
Yes, the fella is superb at taking "crash" balls, and having 3 of the opposition to take him down, but I want more for my (alleged) £200k p.a., when I'm watching an established Aussie Test player.
Plenty of times I've seen "House", when we're struggling to clear our line, having a blow, hands on knees, and not take the ball forward once in a set of six. I've seen Rick Thackray take the ball up twice in a set, 20 odd years ago, even when we had real bruisers in our line-up. When someone pulls on the P&B, I expect 100% commitment, whether you're a legend, a youngster, a superstar, or plain crap. We shouldn't settle for anything less. Alas, at times we do.

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Quote: ninearches "If Briers was the crutch that supported our team & made it sparkle ,then it's a pretty damning indictment of our coaching staff not to have restored some of what has been missing for over 12 months ago when Lee's career effectively came to an end. '"



...and there, ninearches, is our problem.

I'm but a humble fan, but could see at the tail end of the 2012 season, along with Morley, that these 2 players were affectively finished. The alarm bells should have been deafening.

We enter 2013, and Morley is laboured, and Briers effectiveness in games is clearly on the wane.
True, they both stand up and be counted (we'd expect nothing less of these two), but they are shadows of their former selves. They both had some great games in 2013 (Briers particularly in the play-off v Leeds), but it was plain to see (at least to me) that they were done for.

The worrying thing is, that hadn't Briers specialist advised him to quit, he'd still be playing. And as much as the analogy hurts, it would've been like watching the old family pet suffer, when the best thing to do was put him down.

The winter of 2012 is when we should have acted. We're nearly 2 years down the line, and we've bolstered out team in these positions, by the addition of Anthony England.
We've missed the boat, I fear.

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