people keep referring to Saints. Saints finished 5th in their so called transition season. I would snap your hand off for 5th right now. Sadly people have started voting with their feet as the recruitment has been shocking.

maybe he has decided that he has run out of his time with us... people are saying 'keep him'.. maybe he doesn't want to stay... For all we know plans could already be in place to replace him at the end of the season. TS and the club could have already come to an agreement... in which case the club could be holding back on new players until the new coach has been chosen and put in place.

or maybe TS is still very happy at the club and is relishing the chance to rebuild this side... Maybe he will turn this around, stay at the club for another 5 years and win more trophies.

I wouldn't rule out something happening though.... Things do need freshening up sometimes. Brilliant coaches do become stale and move on.

Yes, he won us the challenge cups and i will always be thankful for that. But i like the excitement that comes with change.. its a bit like the excitement that comes with new players



I'm sure that when the time is right to find a new head coach, the brilliant people that run our club will appoint someone that they feel can move us forward as a team.

TS deserves the opportunity to put it right after what he has done for us. After all if we had, say, won 3 more games than we have we would be sitting joint 3rd and this thread would not exist. We gave Cullen years and years and he had no pedigree of success. Tony Smith has give us success we could only have dreamed of in 2009 and deserves similar time. Yes his succession planning is questionable as is the decision about Carvell and Asotasi. There is clearly something "up" in the camp too. But he will sort it in my view.

i dont think there's anything up, we're just missing leadership around the club.

i can understand why they would hand part of the captaincy to westwood,purely from an on field performance pov, however i dont think he's totally like a peacock that you can get behind. i always thought that he was a partner in crime for briers and obviously did his best work in conjunction with Lee getting him going.

Monas on the other hand, love the fella, but he's gone on a season(possibly two) too long, and i think captaincy isn't for him, i really dont like seeing him talking to the ref, in the past any bad performances we've had, you'll see him regularly moaning at the referee about bad decisions, but not in a captain stylee, just like his head and concentration has gone.

We just partly need seniority and leadership, thats what's been lost with moz going and also Bert, i've read over the years about the high standards moz demanded in training, likewise with Hodgo, there were reports of him pushing the other backs and wingers for standards. you have to wonder who in the team should/could be doing that this year.

Never mind winning 3 more games this season, I wonder if this thread would exist if our results this season were exactly as they are but we had not lost in the second half at Old Trafford

*Taken us as far as he can*.... A tired, worn out cliché started in football and sadly, has now spread to our game...Please desist.

Also just to say, i wonder if the club are questioning the benefit of the australia trip this year.

This comment from atkins has stuck in my head since pre season

Its this bit of Atkins personal diary from that very same trip that got me thinking

Humour in adversity, no one does it better than a Wire fan.

Could it be that TS had a shopping list of players he would like to sign and SM told him that there was no money to spend?
There are several players who the media have speculated were coming to Warrington but have subsequently signed for other clubs.

Apart from me, hey, Uncle Rico?