Every game since we have been back up (2012-) against the wire, has been a pretty tasty atmosphere on each occasion. Not condoning trouble or any type of violence however, but definitely a bit more spice. About 2006 ish, I attended two Stains V Wire games, and whilst there was the atmosphere was probably much better at those games, the feeling of dislike didn't seem to surface. However I am neither Saints or Wire so perhaps I am wrong. I know Wire and Wigan are not overly fond of each other going back a long time.

I really enjoyed the derby rivalry in Widnes' first stint in SL, the balance of power shifted between Widnes and us and the games were, until their last season when they had fallen off the pace, hard to predict and exciting.

This time round it hasn't had the same intensity probably because we were winning trophies, they were at the other end of the table, and even when they beat us we just shrugged it off and said its the Cup Final for them but we were too cool to care about a league fixture like this as we knew we would be in the top two at the end of the season anyway.

Maybe now Widnes are on the up and we are on the decline the derbies might come back on to our radar again.

Yes I think I recall that as a cracker, Widnes had all their stars on parade but Wires were really flying in those years. If my memory serves Tony Thorniley came onto a crash ball broke through and ran straight through Darren Wright and broke his leg (accidentally) such was the power of his run, on the way to the try line.

I shouldn't have laughed, but I did.

I'm with you. I'm old enough to remember the games through the late 70's and 80's and this is Warringtons true derby. Hatred, hostility, whatever anybody wants to call it, the passion of this game exceeds whatever we (Wire) get from playing Wigan or Saints.

My favourite ever Wire game.

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