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Quote: fez1 "No probs with your alternative points of view.

I did say ''the best full back we've had since Hesford and Whitehead IMO and I'm not sure then who would come out on top.''

Stats can give an indication (these taken from Wikipedia and other sources so could be slightly out)
Whitehead 1969–79 274 17 713 21 1516
Hesford 1980-86 ? 17 508 18 1092
Johnson 1985-88 ? 48 0 0 192
Hodgson 2011–13 74 39 311 2 792
Hodgson compares favourably here

But it doesn't take into account the defensive effectiveness or the differences in playing in a winning team verses a mediocre one.
Also it doesn't show the guidance given to the rest of the team from this position.

I did raise my eyes when Padders said Hodgson wouldn't get in the top 6 though ! Can't really think of another 3 ahead of Brett since '69.

I would agree that Hesford is the best kicker and I'd take any one of those three at their prime as fullback now.
Johnson was very very good and I'd have him up there too.
I think Hodgson's organizational ability was the best. (Man of Steel before he came to us but still at the top of his game with us).

Onward and upward.
Ratch looks like he's going to be given a half back role, so our 'new boy' at 1 has a lot to live up to.'"


Fullbacks as in playing the position not including kicking
in front of Hodgeson I would put in no order
Whitehead
Hesford
Johnson
Lyon
Ford
Davies
then Hodgeson who's defence was aweful imo

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I had occasion a good few years ago to pay a Sunday morning visit to Wilderspool, for what I can't remember, and stood at the counter waiting to be attended to. There was just one person in the office standing with his back to me stroking his lustrous locks and generally admiring himself in the mirror and that was none other than Steve(don't call me Shirley) Hesford...He eventually caught my reflection in the mirror and spun round looking very embarrassed by his display of self-love. Some time later at Knowsley Road the Saints fans were getting on his back as usual and he seemed to lose his rag....At that time Saints had made a premium signing from Cumbria, I can't remember his name but could have been Moorby...The said star signing made a break down the left and *Shirley* decided to vent his frustration and ran across and hit him like a steam locomotive...The player went down and had to be taken from the field by stretcher and I don't think he ever played again...He may have been a good looker but Hesford was as hard as anybody I ever saw.

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Hesford was a funny one - We signed him from Fylde RU, and on first impressions he looked a pretty mediocre player. In fact, its fair to say he only made the team because of his exceptional kicking. He was often shunted out to the wing, to keep his involvement in the actual game to a bare minimum.

However, when Derek Finnigan packed up, Hesford got his break, being moved to full back and finally looking worthy of a place for more than just his kicking - We've definitely had better full backs, but I don't think we have ever seen a better kicker.

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It was said he was offered a lucrative deal to kick field goals in grid iron football....can anyone remember or shed light on this?

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Quote: Winslade's Offload "Well you are starting to push my memory there, and it is nowhere near as good as Teeside's. I can remember all the names, probably because dad talked about them at the match. Ally Naughton, I can remember nothing. Jim Challinor and Laurie Gilfedder I remember quite well. Didn't Laurie defect to Wigan. Bobby Greenough and Jackie Edwards were a great pair, but I only remember them in the Autumn of their careers. I loved Parry Gordon, but even though I only saw the tail end of Edwards, I suspect he was the better SH. Dad says that they were both eclipsed by Gerry Helme. The great Bevan, alias 'the mummy', I only saw a handful of times (I think). I suspect he must have started taking me along to the rugby around 1960-61. I remember being more interested in the trains shunting up and down the line, and wondering when the final whistle was going to blow.'"

Gerry Helme, the first man to win the Lance Todd twice was a brilliant scrum half. He had a famous tackling technique where he used the momentum of big forwards and throw them in a sort of Cumberland throw. His partnership with Ray Price is the first I have strong memories of. Ray was a pocket battle ship, tremendously strong and hard as nails. St Helens in those days were coached by Jim Sullivan and were very physical and games with them were wars of attrition. We never finished with thirteen men and Danny Naughton sustained a career ending broken leg. Ray Price revelled in this atmosphere and dished out so many pastings that, in 1956, Saints bought him off us. On balance though for sheer footballing entertainment I thought Edwards and Greenough were brilliant to watch and my personal favourite combination.

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