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| We as a club are responsible for all who are on duty in the ground. The steward was bang out of order no matter if he was provoked or not his actions were unacceptable and we should be making a stance similar to Widnes's and making sure he is not on duty again and support the police if any action is to be brought against him.
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| Quote Robbo="Robbo"Bouncers/Stewards should be trained to restrain people without having to throw punches and then keep throwing them... They are not members of the public, they are paid professionals in a place of trust, there to supposedly keep the peace and disperse any bother. Reasonable force I'd imagine can be strong in some instances. but again like I say, Throwing a good number of uppercuts whilst another steward holds someone isn't reasonable force.
No I didn't mean to say you where defending the steward, more agreeing with what you said really. Hopefully the police will get involved and do something because I'd be dissapointed if nothing came of it having seen how bad it was.'"
Robbo. They are trained to restrain people without having to throw punches. they are also licensed and convictions for violence usually result in their losing the licence and not being able to work. Reasonable force depends on the situation you are in and there are occasions when you can legimately throw punches, but I would suggest that last night the guy was OTT.
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| The guy last night was clearly out of order, however I really do hope we don't see a bunch of holier than thou Widnes fans appearing talking about the bad men that we employ, for years they've worked in the ground for years away fans have complained about us using doormen as they're intimidating, for years wire fans have spoken about we're not happy that we use they...aside from last season when nearly every away support started fighting amongst itself, there's not been any actual problem.
Last night the Widnes 'support' turned up, intent on making a problem, from the moment you sawxhere they positioned themselves. There were very few shirts on show in that area, and after the flashpoint occurred the amount of housing hit and run attacks on the stewards were a joke. At one point after it moved over to the side of the stand and the police got involved there was a shove from behind on a copper who was walking down the stairs.
The amount of pitch invading at the end was a joke, that bloke who was with his lad? Class parenting that is.
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| Quote lefty goldblatt="lefty goldblatt"I don't tend to observe our employed security staff, but, do we still use "Showsec"
A more surly, horrible, pent up, itching for a fight, "born out of wedlock" you will ever see.
I've seen these "people" in action on a trophy parade, where everybody was EXTREMELY well behaved, yet there's still a nasty atmosphere.
Here may lie the problem'"
The "steward" involved had nothing to do with the safety stewards employed directly by Wolves (some of which were assisting relocate Warrington fans from the West stand) OR Showsec (who are engaged to handle to car parking and the doors at the HJ).
"Security" (and maybe its time we separate the term security and steward) is provide by MYL who basically use SIA trained staff who do indeed also act as bouncers. The actions of this SECURITY staff do indeed seem excessive and will no doubt be fully investigated. Early in the year against Hull there were similar allegations and Warrington came out with a statement to say that the individual involved then had been banned from ever working at the HJ again.
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| Quote Fantastic Mr Cat="Fantastic Mr Cat"The guy last night was clearly out of order, however I really do hope we don't see a bunch of holier than thou Widnes fans appearing talking about the bad men that we employ, for years they've worked in the ground for years away fans have complained about us using doormen as they're intimidating, for years wire fans have spoken about we're not happy that we use they...aside from last season when nearly every away support started fighting amongst itself, there's not been any actual problem.
Last night the Widnes 'support' turned up, intent on making a problem, from the moment you sawxhere they positioned themselves. There were very few shirts on show in that area, and after the flashpoint occurred the amount of housing hit and run attacks on the stewards were a joke. At one point after it moved over to the side of the stand and the police got involved there was a shove from behind on a copper who was walking down the stairs.
The amount of pitch invading at the end was a joke, that bloke who was with his lad? Class parenting that is.'"
Its quite alarming to see that quite a few people are trying to turn this around to blame the stewards (have a look at the posts on the VT).
Ive been watching Wire since 1988 and last night was the worst trouble i've seen inside an RL ground.
It was a fair chunk of their away support involved in this incident and as Cat says some of cowardly stuff was very nasty from the hit and hides to the throwing of objects at the police and stewards attempting to eject the thugs .. Its simple really if the Widnes fan hadn't chucked the smoke bombs the stewards wouldn't have had to eject anyone..
On the smoke bombs i'm not sure if its been mentioned i haven't read every post but i felt sorry for the innocent Widnes fan near the front who got the 2nd one right on the back of the head...I hope he\she is ok, as this clown could have injured one of his own fans...!
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| Quote Cottyviking="Cottyviking"yfrog.us/cbd0jejettvadmnbtegulqjez'"
Clear as crystal that. Do you do weddings?
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| Quote Wiz="Wiz"Clear as crystal that. Do you do weddings?'"
I didn't record it, found it on twitter and posted the link as someone had asked for it
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| Quote MikeyWire="MikeyWire"Its quite alarming to see that quite a few people are trying to turn this around to blame the stewards (have a look at the posts on the VT).
Ive been watching Wire since 1988 and last night was the worst trouble i've seen inside an RL ground.
It was a fair chunk of their away support involved in this incident and as Cat says some of cowardly stuff was very nasty from the hit and hides to the throwing of objects at the police and stewards attempting to eject the thugs .. Its simple really if the Widnes fan hadn't chucked the smoke bombs the stewards wouldn't have had to eject anyone..
On the smoke bombs i'm not sure if its been mentioned i haven't read every post but i felt sorry for the innocent Widnes fan near the front who got the 2nd one right on the back of the head...I hope he\she is ok, as this clown could have injured one of his own fans...!'"
Mikey. Apart from the poster who brought up the fact that a tweet had been sent to Cheshire Police I don't think anyone has blamed the Stewards for last night. All that has been said is that one acted excessively and that had the Widnes fans not kicked off, then nothing would have happened.
A group of Widnes fans came with the intention of causiong trouble last night and they succeeded. It's the third away game in a row that they have caused problems and the RFL needs to stamp on it. Cas have had a couple of large fines, maybe it's time something was done re this lot.
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| Quote Rugbychickâ„¢="Rugbychickâ„¢"Impressed with Widnes' fast response and I hope they can get that element at their club in order as it's a real shame for the vast majority of genuine fans and the sport.
Will be reporting this gem to that email helpfully supplied by Widnes in their statement:
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On the contrary, I don't think it is a fast response by Widnes. It strikes me as being more like, 'That's the third away game in a row our fans have caused trouble, we had better do something about it.'
I love the fact you found that E mail though, have you reported it yet?
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