Having a browse around the forums today apparently Wellens gave the ball a good soaking before a kick off yesterday. I noticed Hardaker do the same thing against us recently at 12 all. Not something I had ever noticed before is this something new that’s crept in as a tactic or just something I’ve never noticed.

Personally can’t see it should really make any difference just wondered what people thought.

Pardon the pun but do the RFL "have the balls" to kick the Rhino one out and go back to Steeden. It seems to be a real problem for players, which in turn means the standard of the games is falling.

Wasn't all this said about Steeden when we first switched to them? To be fair to Rhino, they have agreed to meet players and discuss how they can be improved etc. If commercially they offered a better deal than Steeden it would be daft not to take it.

It's a ball for fks sake.

My view when I saw hardaker do it was that by the time on a hot day he had soaked the ball, placed it on the kicking tee, given it a big hoof and it had reached its target there would be surely next to no water left on the ball and it should make no difference other than making him look like he trying to cheat when he really wasn’t going to achieve anything at all.

Having used both Rhino and Steeden I can can categorically say the Steeden has better grip and better flight through the air from a pass.

The one issue we have had always had with Steeden is that they deflate too easily.

The Rhino ball has poor grip even from new and any grip it has then quickly wears off. They are also charging the clubs a not inconsiderable £27 a ball (as confirmed during a talk I was having with the kitman at Wakefield last week).