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| Back to GB and Tri-Nations please.
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| how will GB be any better for the tri nations....? There are no Scottish Welsh or Irish players of any note that would get near a GB team, any that were have long since switched allegences anyway.
the only reason for bringing Back GB is if you are going back to a GB v Australia Ashes.
Summer Rugby killed off international Rugby stone dead i'm afraid.
If people think the world club challenge is a "real" event they should have seen a touring Australian National side play against a club side. That was a game they cared about and did not want to lose at any cost...... If I could change the game in any way I would change our Winters to nice sunny days and play winter rugby and then have Autumn internationals that mean something.
so I'm afraid we are stuck with some Realy rank average home nations games.
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| Quote the flying biscuit="the flying biscuit"how will GB be any better for the tri nations....? There are no Scottish Welsh or Irish players of any note that would get near a GB team, any that were have long since switched allegences anyway.'"
The thing what seems to get me is when it comes to international RL, everyone seems to be obsessed with what the Australians and the New Zealanders are thinking.
England can lose to Wales or France - People will say "Oh the Aussies and the Kiwi's will be shaking in their boots after that".
England slap Wales for 80 or France for 60 - People will say "Oh, the Aussies and the Kiwi's will be shaking in their boots after that".
England (or previous GB incarnations) can never seem to win when it comes to international RL. As Biscuit said, what is the point of bringing GB back, it's still technically England. They only called it GB & Ireland in the past because Carney was in the side.
I really don't understand this fascination with the Oceania sides. England can beat the Australians, they just need to have the mentality to do it in key matches. They have already showed they can beat the Kiwi's now and again, who to be honest are no great shakes really. Who honestly cares what Australia and New Zealand think. Let them play each other in one off tests.
International RL has never been strong, and there can be one sided thrashings all the time, but that's only because there are 3 teams in the world in the top bracket, and the rest are underneath.
The same thing happens in Rugby Union and football, but yet no-one blinks an eye because there are more than 3 top teams in the highest bracket of each sport, yet because there are more teams to go around, there are far more one sided games in these sports. But, people only ever whine about one sided games in international RL.
But it's just the typical Rugby League fan mentality, whinge whinge whinge about everything in sight.
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| Quote WireFanatic III="WireFanatic III"The thing what seems to get me is when it comes to international RL, everyone seems to be obsessed with what the Australians and the New Zealanders are thinking.
England can lose to Wales or France - People will say "Oh the Aussies and the Kiwi's will be shaking in their boots after that".
England slap Wales for 80 or France for 60 - People will say "Oh, the Aussies and the Kiwi's will be shaking in their boots after that".
England (or previous GB incarnations) can never seem to win when it comes to international RL. As Biscuit said, what is the point of bringing GB back, it's still technically England. They only called it GB & Ireland in the past because Carney was in the side.
I really don't understand this fascination with the Oceania sides. England can beat the Australians, they just need to have the mentality to do it in key matches. They have already showed they can beat the Kiwi's now and again, who to be honest are no great shakes really. Who honestly cares what Australia and New Zealand think. Let them play each other in one off tests.
International RL has never been strong, and there can be one sided thrashings all the time, but that's only because there are 3 teams in the world in the top bracket, and the rest are underneath.
The same thing happens in Rugby Union and football, but yet no-one blinks an eye because there are more than 3 top teams in the highest bracket of each sport, yet because there are more teams to go around, there are far more one sided games in these sports. But, people only ever whine about one sided games in international RL.
But it's just the typical Rugby League fan mentality, whinge whinge whinge about everything in sight.'"
Excellent post, I'm glad you had the energy because I didn't.
Many RL 'fans' are great at identifying problems, but their only solutions tend to be that we should stop playing rugby at any level, at all. Sad, moaning s.
One of the nobheads above seems to be accusing the RFL of being unable to 'market' the game (an expression often used by people who know nothing about it) despite he/she already being of the view that everything is crap. Well, marketing something that even the supposed supporters of the product actively despise and run down is some task.
Incidentally, the World Cup is being 'marketed' extremely well if the amount of email traffic I'm getting and first-day sales are anything to go by.
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| The thing is, Marco-Van-B will complain about the RLWC up to the point that it is on, yet he will no doubt watch every single tournament match, no doubt just to complain about the one sidedness of the games in question.
Hence why RL doesn't need him as a fan. He is the epitome of the whiney Rugby League fan with an immense chip on their shoulder.
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| Quote just_browny="just_browny"Incidentally, the World Cup is being 'marketed' extremely well if the amount of email traffic I'm getting and first-day sales are anything to go by.'"
Exactly what I was thinking.
I've seen numerous stories on BBC Sport website about the upcoming World Cup, apparently over 50,000 tickets have already been sold and there are still 12 months left to go.
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| Quote WireFanatic III="WireFanatic III"Exactly what I was thinking.
I've seen numerous stories on BBC Sport website about the upcoming World Cup, apparently over 50,000 tickets have already been sold and there are still 12 months left to go.'"
I know they're marketing it very well to the current RL fan but have you seen any advertisement outside the usual RL "circles"? Such as national/regional TV campaigns? It's hard for me to judge because I'm always in earshot of anything rugby league. Maybe it's a question for the non-RL fan which won't be answered on here unless anyone knows specific examples?
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| Quote Alfie Langer No2="Alfie Langer No2"I know they're marketing it very well to the current RL fan but have you seen any advertisement outside the usual RL "circles"? Such as national/regional TV campaigns? It's hard for me to judge because I'm always in earshot of anything rugby league. Maybe it's a question for the non-RL fan which won't be answered on here unless anyone knows specific examples?'"
There was 10 minute feature on BBC Breakfast the other morning, with the world cup itself in the studio. I heard a piece about it being a year to go on 5Live on Friday too.
Pieces in the Guardian, BBC News, Independent, Daily Star etc, as well as the usual RL press.
Still - and to recycle a line I used on the VT - many RL fans will wilfully ignore all of this stuff, claim there's been 'no marketing' and start whining if Sam Tomkins doesn't come around to their house in person.
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| the main benefit of bringing GB back would be that there would be a bigger goal than england so may stop defecting therefore you would have the likes of Bridge, harrison, etc still playing for ireland. rhys evans, carvell? etc for wales. brough, ian henderson etc for scotland. therefor strengthening the home nations for world cups and giving us the lions tours again
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| IMO, the RFL need to make a definitive decision where their priorities are, re International RL.
We simply don't have the quality at Super League level, to REGULARLY compete with the Aussies and Kiwis. Our SL sides are using the rules (legitimately), by cramming their sides full of overseas players (residency, passports of convenience, natural quota etc).
so, do we
a) carry on regardless, and watch a lot of overseas talent, take up squad places which could be taken by young British talent. We'll have a great product to watch on telly and through the turnstiles, but Internationally, we'll just "keep on, keeping on"
or b) drastically reduce the number of overseas players (a set number, no catagories. This can be done by a player declaring his nationality when he first plays professional rugby, AND IT DOES NOT CHANGE). Fair enough, the quality of SL may dip for a few seasons (less "stars" coming over), but subsequently, we may not see potential youngsters (who could have made it big) getting disillusioned because an Aussie has taken his place, so the youngster goes to a worse club, thus his chances to shine are diminished.
With regards to GB, I'm sorry, but calling it GB doesn't wash, anymore. "Scotsmen", "Welshmen" and "Irishmen" will get their ego massaged by playing in a World Cup for their "country", get their bottoms handed to them in that World Cup, and then, want to play for England, (they all change their alliegancies .... Harrison, Evans, Bridge, anyone), because the majority of their original nation's side, is made up with players from the lower leagues. If Carvell is still Welsh (I honestly don't know), he's the only non Englishman who'd get anywhere near a GB jersey.
Yesterday, well I'm perplexed by these internationals.
SL finished 3 weeks ago, all of these players should be on a beach by now, having a well deserved break, after having their bodies battered since early February. RL has a busy 2013, and our players should be given chance to fully recover for that season, not stagnate for 3 weeks, and then play some games which we all know the outcome of. A nice long break would have been ideal.
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| Waiting to hear from Marco Van B regarding the England Knights v Scotland game in the Alitalia Cup this afternoon and wondering if the Aussies and Kiwi's were watching it and shaking in their boots..... 
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