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Quote: SEB "Sorry to be blunt Yed - but where are you getting this rubbish from? If you take us for example, we do NOT have oodles of spare cash piling up somewhere that we'd love to spend on an increased cap. The club still relies very heavily on contributions from many minor sponsors (as well as the obvious major ones) and from supporter organised groups like the Vice Presidents Associations and the Supporters Trust. Without these our youth development would suffer.

An increased salary cap without significant boosts to clubs income streams from major sponsors and/or TV contracts would see further pressure on investment in areas like youth development and facilities.

RL in the UK is most definitely NOT a sport awash with cash. Raising the salary cap is most definitely NOT something we should be doing.'"



When it comes to sports clubs that have viable business plans and make a profit in most sports, there are very very few that are in the black, but plenty of clubs with rich owners/backers pump money in to clubs way beyond their calculated means.

Look at Man City and Chelsea they lose more than they make yet their owners care not a jot and still spend within their means not the clubs.

People say it's a flawed business model (it is) but only if said owner leaves, it very rarely happens and especially if said wealthy owner/backer is a fan.
It's ok putting in safe guards for the what if factor but sport lives in the here and now.

You're honestly telling me now that if we had no salary cap and Thurston said tomorrow i fancy a 3 year spell in SL but i'd want a million that we wouldn't be in the market?

On youth development only the richer clubs and i include london in this are offering anything as Rouges will say there isn't enough investment but it isn't from the clubs that struggle in the main.

Even with a salary cap with the exception of London (who can't attract players) and Widnes who are newly promoted it's the richest clubs that made the top 8, that's no surprise to me.
Once Widnes become established i would imagine them taking Wakefield place in the top 8.

The salary cap for me is all smoke and mirrors, the rich clubs have already broken away from the poorer clubs and created a two tier league anyway.

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in regards to changing the salary cap levels then i am ok with this as long as the rich can't spend that much,and just because they can,as that will only widen the gap at the top.we certainly don't need another case of wigan buying trophies just because they could,or do we need leeds chasing them cos they could

the benchmark for success can be seen by all at the rhinos,we don't break the cap,we don't back down when agents demand more money for their clients,but we continue to win silverware and on a level playing field with all the top sides too,so the question has to be why do we spend our money better than everyone else?
if the limit was raised moderately and across all clubs then i dare say that the same clubs would appear at wembley and win grand finals each year?

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Quote: The Chin's Back "in regards to changing the salary cap levels then i am ok with this as long as the rich can't spend that much,and just because they can,as that will only widen the gap at the top.we certainly don't need another case of wigan buying trophies just because they could,or do we need leeds chasing them cos they could

the benchmark for success can be seen by all at the rhinos,we don't break the cap,we don't back down when agents demand more money for their clients,but we continue to win silverware and on a level playing field with all the top sides too,so the question has to be why do we spend our money better than everyone else?
if the limit was raised moderately and across all clubs then i dare say that the same clubs would appear at wembley and win grand finals each year?'"



I have to say that Leeds are the 'gold standard' that we should all be aiming for. You are a beacon of hope for smaller clubs like Wire. We do our best to emulate you, but year after year you just seem to get better. Even when we manage to retain the services of TS, whom you trained up and gave a job to when nobody else would, we still get beaten in the GF.

However, the really important question I would like to ask is, do you think Paul Wood can now be described as the hardest man in SL, or do you think it's still Ryan ?

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bailey wouldn't have even felt a thing as he's that tough icon_lol.gif

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Quote: The Chin's Back "bailey wouldn't have even felt a thing as he's that tough
Of course he wouldn't, he hasn't got any balls. He only goes for the small players. icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif

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Quote: Horatio Yed "Where as Wigan and Leeds were the only clubs capable, there are far more now anyway, plus i'm not advocating unlimited spending just less restrictions to reflect certain clubs spending power.'"



Yes and looked what happened to both Wigan and Leeds. Wigan won everything which became boring and Leeds went bust trying to chase the dream of catching Wigan, who went bust or very close to later on. The salary cap is not perfect and should be altered to once again include a maximum percentage of turn over. It is more important to stop the farce of clubs spending too much and going bust. That is what really hurts the sport.

On the issue of a draft system that could not work in Rugby League as all clubs pay and bring up their own junior players and it would be very damaging to then poach these players to other clubs that have not invested in their youth.

Rugby league needs to forget these grand ideas and build from the lower divisions and look to increase standards we always seem to look for the quick fix or the god father.

We are strong in the heartlands and the process of converting the unbelievers will take many years of junior and school development which thankfully has started and needs to be given support, that is where our long term success will come from.

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