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50086_1357229109.jpg [b:33tg3xj5]Me:[/b:33tg3xj5] I'm still reeling from the news that someone is considering watching the 1st and 3rd game on Saturday and NOT watching Warrington play. It's like being in Shea Stadium when the Beatles came to town and deciding to nip out for a fag.
[b:33tg3xj5]knockersbumpMKII:[/b:33tg3xj5] Is it FOOK, you're good but you're not THAT good, jesus you wanky fans need to get over yourselves, Beatles at the Shea in '65 was a once in a lifetime opportunity for some (despite the following years performance), you can watch a very good team in primrose & yellow play every week if you really wanted to but comparing it to one of the very best music groups of all time in an iconic stadia such as the shea is overegging your importance, you're not even the best team in SL atm:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_50086.jpg |
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| There's a decent argument for bringing the cap down unless most of the clubs can spend up to it. The Bulls spent at the cap, or close to it, for many years and their business model was flawed. Word on the street is that other clubs are about to hit the wall. If the sport can't manage a cap of £1.65 million then it needs to come down. If that means players leave then so be it. It doesn't matter if Sam Tomkins goes to Rugby Union. What matters is that Wigan don't get into financial meltdown - they don't have any family silver to flog any more. Similarly with us - we have a valuable asset in our stadium that has lots of equity in it. The day we start using that equity to pay the bills is the day we're on our way down.
I recall the whining from Brynn Hargreaves when he quit RL. He basically said "I was treated like crap by the Administrator at Bradford" and "There's not stability in RL, I can get more financial security elsewhere". No argument with the first bit. As for the second bit - so what? Good for you. I also recall ex player and all round complete **** Bobbie Goulding trying to make a massive issue of it on Twitter and saying "the sport needs more money". Ditto the normally sensible Mathers and the less sane Stankevitch. How? Where? Who?
It really is dead simple....
- The sport as a whole can generate X income through crowds, TV and other sponsorship.
- Clubs need to be able to manage existing debt, their current expenditure and compete on their share of X.
- If they cannot, if they say, spend 10% more than X, then on a long enough time line, the sport will collapse.
We have two options - increase the money that comes in, or reduce the outgoings. Unless we increase the money that comes in, as a sport we must spend less. That might mean the cap goes down. IF the sport is awash with money then by all means increase the cap. Doubt it will raise standards - just means that average players will drive slightly better cars and retire with £6,000 saved up rather than £2,000.
Sports finance works to the same principles as individual. We all have jobs and the people from St Helens know people who do. If we spent more than our salary every month, then on a long enough time line, we'd lose everthing. Again, if the sport can stomach it then great. But it can't.
Very interesting debate though.
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| in regards to changing the salary cap levels then i am ok with this as long as the rich can't spend that much,and just because they can,as that will only widen the gap at the top.we certainly don't need another case of wigan buying trophies just because they could,or do we need leeds chasing them cos they could
the benchmark for success can be seen by all at the rhinos,we don't break the cap,we don't back down when agents demand more money for their clients,but we continue to win silverware and on a level playing field with all the top sides too,so the question has to be why do we spend our money better than everyone else?
if the limit was raised moderately and across all clubs then i dare say that the same clubs would appear at wembley and win grand finals each year?
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| Quote: The Chin's Back "in regards to changing the salary cap levels then i am ok with this as long as the rich can't spend that much,and just because they can,as that will only widen the gap at the top.we certainly don't need another case of wigan buying trophies just because they could,or do we need leeds chasing them cos they could
the benchmark for success can be seen by all at the rhinos,we don't break the cap,we don't back down when agents demand more money for their clients,but we continue to win silverware and on a level playing field with all the top sides too,so the question has to be why do we spend our money better than everyone else?
if the limit was raised moderately and across all clubs then i dare say that the same clubs would appear at wembley and win grand finals each year?'"
I have to say that Leeds are the 'gold standard' that we should all be aiming for. You are a beacon of hope for smaller clubs like Wire. We do our best to emulate you, but year after year you just seem to get better. Even when we manage to retain the services of TS, whom you trained up and gave a job to when nobody else would, we still get beaten in the GF.
However, the really important question I would like to ask is, do you think Paul Wood can now be described as the hardest man in SL, or do you think it's still Ryan ?
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| bailey wouldn't have even felt a thing as he's that tough ![Laughing icon_lol.gif](images/smilies//icon_lol.gif)
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| Quote: Horatio Yed "Where as Wigan and Leeds were the only clubs capable, there are far more now anyway, plus i'm not advocating unlimited spending just less restrictions to reflect certain clubs spending power.'"
Yes and looked what happened to both Wigan and Leeds. Wigan won everything which became boring and Leeds went bust trying to chase the dream of catching Wigan, who went bust or very close to later on. The salary cap is not perfect and should be altered to once again include a maximum percentage of turn over. It is more important to stop the farce of clubs spending too much and going bust. That is what really hurts the sport.
On the issue of a draft system that could not work in Rugby League as all clubs pay and bring up their own junior players and it would be very damaging to then poach these players to other clubs that have not invested in their youth.
Rugby league needs to forget these grand ideas and build from the lower divisions and look to increase standards we always seem to look for the quick fix or the god father.
We are strong in the heartlands and the process of converting the unbelievers will take many years of junior and school development which thankfully has started and needs to be given support, that is where our long term success will come from.
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