Quote: Judder Man "The present St Helens team is just average and rubbish at times. My question was, are Wire and Wigan for that matter are they great sides by standard.
When St Helens were labelled a great side they could beat Warrington and Wigan respectively 80-0 and 75-0 respecively.
Yet Warrington and Wigan can,t get remotely get any where near these winning margins this season against a very poor St Helens side.
Great sides don,t get tonked by 62 points, that
was my original suggestion.'"
I can't remember Warrington finishing 3rd/4th when Saint Helens were a 'Great Side' - we were lucky if we were average during those days and average teams don't finish 3rd/4th. They finish mid-table.