I agree. Saints in the "entertainers" days never used to throw it about until they had a decent lead. A;though, I've seen us throw it about early doors lot's of times this season.

I agree with all the above posts r.e Saints. The bedrock of their success has been bringing through home grown talent and mixing them with international players. Kind of missed Knowsley Road this year. Great TV atmosphere if that makes any sense. Also get a high level of knowledge from their fans.

We can all say this now we have beaten them home and away. Before that...

yep that has helped.

Was actually the last GF for me, losing four on the trot ffs!

I just can't help have respect for a team that seems to breed success. Leeds too really. They had so much success in the SL era through a lot of genuine youth products. Under the salary cap and playing open attractive rugby.

They haven't resorted to dubious tactics or negative rugby, yes saints have played to their strengths of late, which basically means an axis of roby and graham, but in the background their youngsters have really come of age. This is what RL is all about for me.

Also in general their fans come across so much better than others, more class and more grace.

Lets be honest Saints and Leeds success over the SL is era is something they should both be very proud of.

I think you're being a bit unfair on Tony Smith because he is building that culture at Warrington. If you can't see that then I am at loss to help you because the drive for that culture at your club is evident in your on-the-field performances. It's a lot harder than people think to make the leap from serious contenders to Grand Final winning team. It took Leeds six years to convert contending into a league winning team and they had a lot more advantageous position than you when they started e.g. top-rated academy, larger talent pool to choose from. Be patient and it will come.

I think you have misinterpreted my initial post mate,

I know he is building a culture, and in no way i am being unfair on TS, the man is a legend.

What i was getting at is the culture at saints that has done so well over the past few years where they haven't had the personell on paper and have been ruined by injuries yet are able to compete at the highest level regardless.