It all began with the protesters ripping up the metal barriers and trying to ram them into the police at head height,
that was the first flare up. Did you not see this? the police stood their ground and took this abuse for quite a considerable amount of time, when the police did advance they were using shields to push the rioters back, even though some of the protesters were trying to decapitate the police. Seriously jd what would expect the police to do stand there and take it like a punch bag?

As for Charlie boy, his step dads band recorded an album about the loss of life in war and the effect it had on those left behind, I'm sure charlie would of listened to it at some point, I don't believe for one minute he didn't know what he was doing, he was acting the big anarchist in front of his mates swinging on the union flag!

Unfortunately for charlie somebody took his picture, silly little rich boy.

Brutum, out of interest did you support the Police during the Miners' Strike? I would be interested to hear of your comments surrounding the 'The Battle of Orgreave'. Made the student rally look like handbags.

PS: Your user name tickles me. According to a common definition it refers to an empty threat or charge, or a void judgment which is in legal effect no judgment at all. I found that funny. Then again I was a student once before I started paying tax again.

But not on Rememberance Sunday...

What have students ever done for us, like? Glad I'm not paying for any of this.

Cambridge Nobel Prize Winnners.
Lord Rayleigh Trinity Phy 1904 Discovered Argon
JJ Thomson Trinity Phy 1906 Investigated the electrical conductivity of gases
Ernest Rutherford Trinity Che 1908 Atomic structure and radioactivity
William Bragg Trinity Phy 1915 Analysed crystal structure using X-rays
Lawrence Bragg Trinity Phy 1915 Analysed crystal structure using X-rays
Charles Barkla Trinity Phy 1917 Discovered the characteristics of X-radiation
Niels Bohr Trinity Phy 1922 Investigated atomic structure and radiation
Francis Aston Trinity Che 1922 Work on mass spectroscopy and the `whole number rule'
Archibald Hill Trinity Med 1922 Heat production in the muscles
Austen Chamberlain Trinity Pea 1925 Work on the Locarno Pact, 1925
Charles Wilson Sidney Sussex Phy 1927 Invented the cloud chamber
Arthur Holly Compton - Phy 1927 Discovered wavelength change in diffused X-rays
Owen Richardson Trinity Phy 1928 Richardson's Law of electron emission of hot metals
Frederick Hopkins Trinity/ Emmanuel Med 1929 Discovered growth stimulating vitamins
Lord Adrian Trinity Med 1932 The function of neurons
Charles Sherrington Caius Med 1932 The function of neurons
Paul Dirac St John's Phy 1933 Quantum mechanics
James Chadwick Caius Phy 1935 Discovered the neutron
Henry Dale Trinity Med 1936 The chemical transmission of nerve impulses
George Thomson Trinity Phy 1937 Interference in crystals irradiated by electrons
Albert Szent-Gyorgyi Fitzwilliam Med 1937 Combustion in biology
Ernst Chain Fitzwilliam Med 1945 Discovery of penicillin
Howard Florey Caius Med 1945 Discovery of penicillin
Edward Appleton St John's Phy 1947 Discovered the Appleton Layer
Patrick Blackett Magdalene/ King's Phy 1948 Nuclear physics and cosmic radiation
Bertrand Russell Trinity Lit 1950 A History of Western Philosophy, 1945
Cecil Powell Sidney Sussex Phy 1950 Photography of nuclear processes
John Cockcroft St John's/ Churchill Phy 1951 Used accelerated particles to study atomic nuclei
Ernest Walton Trinity Phy 1951 Used accelerated particles to study atomic nuclei
Richard Synge Trinity Che 1952 Developed partition chromatography
Archer Martin Peterhouse Che 1952 Developed partition chromatography
Hans Krebs - Med 1953 Discovered the citric acid cycle
Max Born - Phy 1954 Fundamental research into quantum mechanics
Alexander Todd Christs Che 1957 Work on nucleotides
Frederick Sanger St John's Che 1958 Structure of the insulin molecule
Philip Noel-Baker King's Pea 1959 Work towards global disarmament
John Kendrew Trinity Che 1962 Determined the structure of haemoproteins
Max Perutz Peterhouse Che 1962 Determined the structure of haemoproteins
Francis Crick Caius/ Churchill Med 1962 Structure of DNA
James Watson Clare Med 1962 Structure of DNA
Maurice Wilkins St John's Med 1962 Structure of DNA
Alan Hodgkin Trinity Med 1963 Transmission of nerve impulses along a nerve fibre
Andrew Huxley Trinity Med 1963 Transmission of nerve impulses along a nerve fibre
Dorothy Hodgkin Newnham/ Girton Che 1964 Structure of compounds used in fighting anaemia
Ronald Norrish Emmanuel Che 1967 Study of fast chemical reactions
George Porter Emmanuel Che 1967 Study of fast chemical reactions
Rodney Porter Pembroke Med 1972 Chemical structure of antibodies
John Hicks Caius Eco 1972 Equilibrium theory
Brian Josephson Trinity Phy 1973 Tunneling in superconductors and semiconductors
Patrick White King's Lit 1973 For an epic and psychological narrative art which has introduced a new continent into literature
Martin Ryle Trinity Phy 1974 For the invention of aperture synthesis
Antony Hewish Caius/ Churchill Phy 1974 For the discovery of pulsars
Nevill Mott Caius/ St John's Phy 1977 Behaviour of electrons in magnetic solids
Philip Anderson Churchill Phy 1977 Behaviour of electrons in magnetic solids
James Meade Trinity Eco 1977 Contributed to the theory of international trade
Pyotr Kapitsa Trinity Phy 1978 Invented the helium liquefier
Peter Mitchell Jesus Che 1978 Energy transfer processes in biological systems
Abdus Salam St John's Phy 1979 Unification of electromagnetic and weak particle interactions
Steven Weinberg - Phy 1979 Unification of electromagnetic and weak particle interactions
Allan Cormack St John's Med 1979 Development of CAT scans
Walter Gilbert Trinity Che 1980 Developed the theory of nucleotide links in nucleic acids
Frederick Sanger St John's Che 1980 Developed the theory of nucleotide links in nucleic acids
Aaron Klug Trinity Che 1982 Determined the structure of biologically active substances
Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar Trinity Phy 1983 The evolution and devolution of stars
William Fowler Pembroke Phy 1983 The evolution and devolution of stars
Gerard Debreu Churchill Eco 1983 Reformulation of the theory of general equilibrium
Richard Stone Caius Eco 1984 Developing a national income accounting system
Cesar Milstein Fitzwilliam Med 1984 Developed a technique for producing monoclonal antibodies
Georges Kohler - Med 1984 Developed a technique for producing monoclonal antibodies
Norman Ramsey Clare Phy 1989 Developing the separated field method
James Mirrlees Trinity Eco 1996 Studied behaviour in the absence of complete information
John Walker Sidney Sussex Che 1997 Studied how a spinning enzyme creates the molecule that powers cells in muscles
Amartya Sen Trinity Eco 1998 For his contributions to welfare economics
John Pople Trinity Che 1998 For his development of computational methods in quantum chemistry
Alan McDiarmid Sidney Sussex Che 2000 For the discovery and development of conductive polymers
Paul Greengard ? Med 2000 For discoveries concerning signal transduction in the nervous system
Tim Hunt Clare Med 2001 For discoveries of key regulators of the cell cycle
Joseph Stiglitz Caius Eco 2001 For analyses of markets with asymmetric information
John Sulston Pembroke Med 2002 For discoveries concerning genetic regulation of organ development and programmed cell death
Sydney Brenner King's Med 2002 For discoveries concerning genetic regulation of organ development and programmed cell death
Richard Schrock - Che 2005 For the development of the metathesis method in organic synthesis
Martin Evans Christ's Med 2007 For discoveries of principles for introducing specific gene modifications in mice
Roger Tsien Churchill Che 2008 For increasing understanding of the protein GFP
Elizabeth Blackburn Darwin Med 2009 For the discovery of how chromosomes are protected by telomeres and the enzyme telomerase
Venkatraman Ramakrishnan Trinity Che 2009 For studies of the structure and function of the ribosome

Orgreave was a disgrace, that is what heavy handed policing is jd, the miners were only trying to protect their livelihoods unfortunately the miners were led by fool that refused to hold a ballot. The police didn't come out of it with any credit but at the same time neither did scargill. Lions led by donkeys

I've been on strike and stood on a picket line, our union membership voted for this, I wouldn't like to of been told that I was going on strike without me having my vote. That is my view hope it doesn't offend.

Glad the name tickles you, it's tickles me.

Hey I'm not offended. I recognise this as a trite messageboard where nothing of note occurs.

However, humour me, such that I can understand your position - is it OK (by you) to physically attack Policemen and Policewomen or not in your view? Whichever view we must recognise it is never Legal.

PS: What happens if the Policeman (Policewoman) used to be a student? Or a miner for that matter.

Complex.

What worries me is the fact that a chap 21 years old has had a supposed top notch education, is a few years into his Cambridge studies. Studying HISTORY, and he doesn't reconize the cenotaph!!

Simple answer John7420, HE'S LYING, and using ignorance as an excuse.
He's acted like a first class Berk, and now he's pooing his pants because he's been found out.
It's what the guilty always do.
I hope daddu writes him out of his Pink Floyd legacy, will

I have no issue with people protesting. We're fortunate that we live in a society where such things are allowed. However some of the vandalism and violence was outrageous; possibly the most overused word in our language but appropriate on this occasion. I have no doubt that the violence was perpretrated by a minority and that, moreover, a significant proportion of that minority weren't students. Whoever and whatever it was, it didn't work, the bill was passed.

Irrespective of whether people believe we all have a right to a free education the simple fact is that we cannot afford the system as it currently stands. So we either find another way to pay for it it or reduce the burden. I suspect both will be necessary. That doesn't mean scrapping anything which isn't a traditional subject but at the same time, it does mean removing some courses which offer very little value to anyone; before during or after their completion.

I went to University between 1997 and 2000. That meant that I didn't have to pay tuition fees. I took a year out to save for University and worked in my holidays. I left with around £4,500 in student loan debt and about £300 on credit cards. After I finished University, I took out a career development loan of about £7,000. Of a debt of around £12,000 I have paid every penny back (with interest, naturally). My job (a profession in the tradtional sense of the word) is relatively well paid and I pay a decent whack in taxes as a result. I'm hoping to pay a lot more in taxes over the next few years, if you receive my meaning. I think that is a good example of the system working.

Had I had to pay tuition fees of £9k per annum, it may well have put me off going to University*. I think we need to be very careful to strike the right balance.

*I would have become a space cowboy in those circumstances.

Again, more holes than a sieve

Apparently, I've made a mistake that, "just cause you know something the world must". Yes, I may have more qualifications than some people, I may be able to answer more questions in a pub quiz than other people, I may have a bit more common sense than others, but come on, don't give me this innocent ignorance guff. It's the Cenotaph for God's sake. HE KNEW.

You say you watched the news all night and didn't hear of any Police injuries. Well, I saw 3 bulletins (from different news media) and saw and heard of Police injuries on each occasion. You must have nipped out to put the kettle (no pun intended) on.

And yes, as you pointed out, I DO call them rioters, because that's what they were, RIOTERS. It doesn't matter wether there was 4 (a small number as you put it), or 4444, they were still rioters.

And then, your final load of "codswallop" It all began with the tactics of the police. They put them into a confined area and then used undue force. WRONG .
It actually began with the thuggish behaviour of the rioters, which the Police then had todeal with.
IF THE RIOTERS HADN'T STARTED IN THE FIRST PLACE, THE POLICE WOULDN'T HAVE HAD TO DEAL WITH IT.
I hope that helps.

I suggest you resign from your 6th form debating society, and get some work done.
Don't defend these idiots