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Quote: SLIMply the best "no offence taken with this question, as a nurse of 23 years i am fully aware of the risks i take being overweight, no different to the risks i took whilst in the army, parachuting,abseiling etc or even on active duty, the risk is premature death. i'm 45 don't have diabetes, the only injuries i carry are from my time in the army and playing rugby for 20+ years, so yes i am fully aware. now if i make negative lifestyle choices the only person i can blame is myself, but saying i am less entitled to health care than any one else is a tad bigoted in my opinion. forcing me to change my lifestyle is worse. no one told me not to parachute/ climb/ abseil from big cliffs which hold risks in their own rights, so making sweeping moral judgements about who should be and who shouldn't have access to healthcare is wrong.
i asume you don't take any risks in your life? ever driven your car/motorbike too fast? taken part in contact sports? with the logic that you and a few others share on this thread your access to health care should be restricted due to your poor lifestyle choices! it just doesn't pan out once you put any thought into the arguement does it? the belief that hill walking is healthy is not a constructive counter arguement when the cost of an air ambulance is taken into account is it?


anyway i'm off for a pasty!'"


I agree with most of your post and I certainly believe that people should be free to choose their own lifestyle, risk-free or not. I was just curious that if you realised the possible implications of your weight, then perhaps it might be an incentive to do something about it.

My main gripe with this thread was the poster (think it was dj birchy?) who seemed to take pride and glee in the fact that his weight induced diabetes had its perks in the manner of free health checks that others don't..... Personally, this p!$ses me off, but maybe because I'm a grumpy sod!!... icon_lol.gif

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Quote: Yed "Where do we go though with this ?'"


We dont.

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ihatewigan@yahoo.co.uk [quote="boz the warrior":1udbj28j]lee briers is a nice person whoooo luck at lee forming a scrum the wire bum banger[/quote:1udbj28j] wigan skoolz rule!:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_46250.jpg



Quote: Bobby Digital "Slim do you get a offended withe fat jokes.Dont direct at you,but if watching a comedy show and if the comedian cracks a fat joke do get upset or offened?'"

not really, it wasn't the sizist remarks that offended it was the implication that fat people are somehow socially less apt or able, along with a belief expressed that access to medical provision should be witheld due to our poor life choices. i am aware that these are personal beliefs but also believe i have a right to challenge them.

on the joke front, i find all offensive jokes highly amusing and believe there are very few boundaries that should not be crossed when it comes to humour. as long as the joke does not promote hatred or try and oppress anyone i think bring it on.

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ihatewigan@yahoo.co.uk [quote="boz the warrior":1udbj28j]lee briers is a nice person whoooo luck at lee forming a scrum the wire bum banger[/quote:1udbj28j] wigan skoolz rule!:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_46250.jpg



Quote: Yed "Where do we go though with this ?

People with hereditary diseases having kids can't have treatment because their parents knew they'd pass on said disease ?'"


thank you, that's the point i was trying to make, next stop eugenics. the goverment introduced the N.I.C.E guidlines to try and decide who should get treatment and introduced cost as a measurement, it is begining to fall flat on it's face because no one person is more deserving than another when it boils down to it. health care should not be driven by market forces, it should be diven by need.
just because cancer drugs are expensive does not mean they should not be available.
the question is where do you draw the line?

if you get lung cancer from smoking----- no treatment
get cancer from working down the pit/ with asbestos----treatment


both lifestyle choices!

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The revenue that smokers pay to the Treasury, which is 90% of the price, amounts to about £9billion.
Health care costs for smokers is about half that figure, so the Treasury makes a big profit.
Have you ever wondered why the government doesn't make smoking illegal?
They can't afford to.

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Quote: Richeastender "Have you ever wondered why the government doesn't make smoking illegal?'"


I believe a lot of the current governmenty are smokers.

Cameron and his cronies were well known for bumming fags when at Eton.

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