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Quote: sally cinnamon "Where it all went wrong for Fairbrother was when he played 3 Tests against the Kiwis in 1990 when he was in the form of his life, had just scored 366 for Lancs, and on flat pitches against a NZ attack which only had Hadlee, he got a run of low scores. That was his time to cash in and earn a run in the Test side, because after that England brought back Gower as the left hander in the middle order. They did at least keep him in the ODI side and he made a lot of good 50s for England in ODIs. You are right he could have been given more backing but I reckon if he'd have made some runs against the Kiwis that would have given him a chance. After he got dropped then it got hard for him to persuade the selectors to pick him again, because he had been demolishing every county attack going in 1990, and had a shocking run for England, so if he scored runs for Lancashire again they would just think "well he's done this before and wasn't up to Test level, what's new now..."

Still one of my favourite ever Lancs players (especially because he's a Wire fan) and no English player in the last century or since, has got a higher first class score.'"



Fairbrother had a decent chance with England IIRC with 10 matches and 15 innings. The problem for him was of not delivering. He had 9 innings where he scored single figures, only 2 innings above 30, with a 83 against India being a highlight. His first 4 innings for England contributed only 5 runs.

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There was a side full of greats that went out to Australia in the 1950s. May, Cowdrey, Laker, Lock, Statham, Trueman, Bailey, Tyson, Graveney, Evans, Dexter. They were destroyed 4-0.

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IMO we need to beat India this summer. They seem to be the bees knees at test cricket ATM, so I think a win against them would dramatically increase our test ranking.

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Quote: sally cinnamon "

Winning this series is a good achievement but I think we will have to wait for history to see how it compares to 1986/87 in terms of how these Aussies turn out. 86/87 was a great achievement because we beat what was actually a very good Aussie side that we had played before it peaked, it won the World Cup a few months later, and that team had Border, Boon, Steve Waugh, Jones, Hughes and Reid in it, who would go on to crush lesser England sides in the future. Will this current Aussie team prove to be a team of greats who weren't quite ready, or a one off selection of guys not up to the job who soon drifted out of contention....I reckon the second.

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You make the mistake of believing that a side can't improve or get worse over the course of time.

That Aussie side of 86/87 was a distinctly average one, despite having future greats like Waugh and Boon in it.....At that particular point many of them were untried and untested and were reliant on Border in the batting and Lawson in the bowling. Certainly they were no better (or as bad) than the present Aussie lot.

I agree that the present Aussie side is an average bunch, but if we are going by 'names', which it seems that you are, then the likes of Ponting, Clarke, and Hussey stand up against any of those names that you band about from 86/87.

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The 10/11 Aussie line-up is essentially the same. They're not the worst Aussie side ever, either, they've just been made to look embarrassingly bad by a bloody impressive England outfit.'"


quite right,but as we seem to say nowadays,'you can only play what's in front of you' !

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saying that,the current english squad aren't world beaters and I rate Strauss as an average skipper but they do seem to be well disciplined (ie less loose bowling stints,better shot selection and not giving thier wickets away cheaply,sharper in the field etc) side and well balanced. I think a lot of credit must go down to Andy Flower & the much maligned selection committee

Losing the class of Warne & McGrath was the big difference for me - great players like these are like gold dust

ps - would love to see Mitchell Johnson at Essex CCC !

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