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Quote: sally cinnamon "Ah those names bring back memories...
Kim Barnett - wasn't he the guy who used to shuffle around the crease while the bowler was running in, then take a step back to leg before playing his shot....not quite sure he had a watertight technique for Test cricket!

David Capel - possibly the first of the "new Ian Bothams"...to be followed by Chris Lewis, Dermot Reeve and Dominic Cork

Tim Curtis - decent county pro but not top class. Reminds me of Martyn Moxon who also played in that series.

Alan Igglesden - actually he was a good bowler IMO, him and Newport could swing it. Newport was similar to Martin Bicknell in that he wasn't that quick. Igglesden was a bit faster, I reckon he could have been like Jimmy Anderson today. Unfortunately he was injured a lot.

John Stephenson - I cannot believe he played Test cricket, always thought he was rank average even at county level.

On the plus side a few players did emerge out of the gloom that summer - Robin Smith, Jack Russell and Angus Fraser, all of whom were good Test players. In fact I remember the tour to the W Indies which followed, when we were supposed to get smashed 5-0 by the W Indies in their glory days, as being one which was quite successful for us and we took it to them. For the next few years under Graham Gooch we were quite good, we got to the World Cup Final in Australia.'"


Fair assessment of those players, Sally......Though you didn't mention the debut of a certain FEC amongst your emerging future stars!!

What was startling back then, was how fickle and how amateur the whole selection process was....Players were picked and discarded at a whim. Many a promising career was ruined by poor selection policy.

I often think how successful somebody like Neil Fairbrother could have been at Test level if they had only been around today when, at last, we seem to pick the side in a well thought out manner??.....Fairbrother was similar to somebody like Bell or Collingwood, in that he undoubtedly had talent but needed nurturing correctly and not just expected to produce from day one. Instead, I seem to remember him being selected for his debut against a formidable Pakistan attack, being sent in to bat in gloomy conditions, with about 2 overs left of the day, getting an almost predictable duck and then being dropped on the back of it!!

I'm not saying he would have been a world beater, but for any player, what sort of message are they getting when something like that happens??.....Its quite funny that some people today complain of players getting too long of a stay in the side, but its no coincidence that since we have more consistancy in our selection, so our results have dramatically improved since the days of 20 odd players being used in a series!!

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There was a side full of greats that went out to Australia in the 1950s. May, Cowdrey, Laker, Lock, Statham, Trueman, Bailey, Tyson, Graveney, Evans, Dexter. They were destroyed 4-0.

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IMO we need to beat India this summer. They seem to be the bees knees at test cricket ATM, so I think a win against them would dramatically increase our test ranking.

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Winning this series is a good achievement but I think we will have to wait for history to see how it compares to 1986/87 in terms of how these Aussies turn out. 86/87 was a great achievement because we beat what was actually a very good Aussie side that we had played before it peaked, it won the World Cup a few months later, and that team had Border, Boon, Steve Waugh, Jones, Hughes and Reid in it, who would go on to crush lesser England sides in the future. Will this current Aussie team prove to be a team of greats who weren't quite ready, or a one off selection of guys not up to the job who soon drifted out of contention....I reckon the second.

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You make the mistake of believing that a side can't improve or get worse over the course of time.

That Aussie side of 86/87 was a distinctly average one, despite having future greats like Waugh and Boon in it.....At that particular point many of them were untried and untested and were reliant on Border in the batting and Lawson in the bowling. Certainly they were no better (or as bad) than the present Aussie lot.

I agree that the present Aussie side is an average bunch, but if we are going by 'names', which it seems that you are, then the likes of Ponting, Clarke, and Hussey stand up against any of those names that you band about from 86/87.

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The 10/11 Aussie line-up is essentially the same. They're not the worst Aussie side ever, either, they've just been made to look embarrassingly bad by a bloody impressive England outfit.'"


quite right,but as we seem to say nowadays,'you can only play what's in front of you' !

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saying that,the current english squad aren't world beaters and I rate Strauss as an average skipper but they do seem to be well disciplined (ie less loose bowling stints,better shot selection and not giving thier wickets away cheaply,sharper in the field etc) side and well balanced. I think a lot of credit must go down to Andy Flower & the much maligned selection committee

Losing the class of Warne & McGrath was the big difference for me - great players like these are like gold dust

ps - would love to see Mitchell Johnson at Essex CCC !

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