what do we reckan a good enough score to get us 2nd will be? i reckan if we win by 30 it should see us 2nd as saints and cas hopefully will be closeish

It wasn't a case of accepting mediocrity merely pointing out theres no need for panic yet. Everyone seems to be treating the game as the be all and end all but it isnt.

Maybe, maybe not, but I'd say we are far more serious challengers than they were and if we did lose against St Helens, then I'd be pretty confident of winning the following week.

If fact, if i was Tony i would probably remind them that this game isn't life and death. We all know the history between the clubs and maybe knowing that will enable us to play some beautiful ree flowing rugby without the stress and panic that usually comes with it. Who knows, relieving them of that stress maybe is what we need to finally do it.

Agreed. Just saying that if we go there thinking "we can afford to get beat", then we almost certainly will. And there is a significant advantage in winning.

Of course.