Our record against Saints is beyond ridiculous now. There was clearly a mental and not a physical block on Saturday. What's more amazing is that it affects everyone, even the new players.

I keep hearing both sets of players saying they dont talk about the record. That is obviously complete .

You'll be waiting a long time, Judas.

But back on the thread, it's a really interesting one. We have had several coaches and several squads of players and many of those who played on Saturday won the first Challenge Cup since 1974, but still the losses come against St Helens. It took us until 2006 to beat Wigan away in Super League and then we did it two years running and then again this year. Of course, the laws of probability don't apply, but the improvement in our performance does and I'll let that dictate our chances against St Helens, not the view that our players bottled it, or they couldn't see St Helens' tactics, or we are just not good enough.

Typical, slag off those who wanted PC out, then join in with the success that came about from his departure with a proper coach installed. I'm glad you missed the final now as you would not have enjoyed it. It would have rung hollow.

I was delighted as I assume Cullen was.

A little late on the topic but I've been away all week through work and only had chance today to rewatch the match.

I thought Thierry Alibert had miscounted a tackle count on the night but had forgotten all about it.
When I watch a recording I still find myself counting the tackles and the same thing happened today.
I even rewound to the start of the set just to make sure. It's definitely not from a zero tackle as Saints had been awarded a penalty and there's not even a whiff of the tackle count being wiped clear during the set.

It's the set immediately prior to Saints scoring directly from a scrum down the blind side - at approximately 29:30 in the first half.

The Warrington defenders clearly had trouble counting two Saints attackers so I don't suppose you can be too upset at Alibert miscounting to six in a language other than his own.

Apologies if the error has already been mentioned elsewhere on the board.
Oh, and I'm not suggesting it was the difference between winning and losing.