Clarke going wouldn't really hurt us, as has been pointed out he's 3rd choice hooker and the back row is crowded - if he can land a 3yr player / coaching contract it makes good sense for everyone.

Penny on the other hand has the potential to be a great SL winger, and I'd hoped Smith would have kept him for at least 1 more year to see if he can fulfill that potential.

What else would he/she give birth to?

I think you're wrong, I think JWP is right and no, I don't know him.....

I can't remember Penny ever going into touch, he would always look for an offload option, his ability under the high ball is superb and his enthusiasm infectious. In the 2008 season despite taking unfair stick he made less errors than Chris Hicks and made more clean breaks. He also missed only 2 more tackles. His stats also compared very well with Chris Riley's that season, making 4 times as many offloads.

Don't get me wrong, Penny's frame is slight and his ball security in the tackle has been poor at times as well as the odd brain fart but, for me, what he brings far outweighs the downsidesI can't think of another winger in SL who scare opposition fans more given half a yard.

Starting winger for me but I suspect another season of toughening up in NL1 awaits him.

Penny and Clarke have both lost their 1-13 squad numbers it would appear.

Hicks has got 5 which seems strange as I thought he requested 23 last year and would therefore keep it. Either way that should quash any rumours that we've seen the last of him.

Yeah, why on earth would we want a winger who can outrun most players

Penny is great for the club and i hope will become one of the clubs greats. It's easy to knock him then wax lyrical about your favoured players who probably made as many if not more mistakes and had less of an impact on the game. I heard so much bleating from the gobby tosspots in the south stand it just made me cringe.

For years the fans have been bleating on about not producing talented players, then Penny comes along and takes the game by storm, makes a few mistakes and he's then villified.

I just don't get it.

i still struggle to contemplate why none of these obvious deficienses didn't show up in 2007 when we had a horrid patched up team at the end of the season and they only did at last year.