King wasn't fantastic, we've pretty much summed that up but he was not as weak as his winger and that's nothing to do with him being Australian.

We had 4 players under the age of 21 playing on Friday, 3 of the 4 gave it their all and really put their body on the line and you could tell they were fighting for a place.
The left side had a bad game defending the line. I don't think Penny offers anything in terms of defending the line, he is a weak link, he relys too much on King and if King does have a bad game then Penny certainly will.
We need players putting their bodies on the line, working as a unit and not relying on key players to get them out of trouble.
Riley impressed me on Friday as did Blythe as they really did put the effort in and made the most of their opportunity.
Sometimes a player has to look for the opportunity and not keep relying on players to set them up.

How many times can a wiger put his body on the line during a game??? For the forwards its clear to see. Penny has always been enthusiastic and commited from what I have seen.

That being the nature of a centre-winger partnership at any level of the game.

In my opinion something has to chamge on the left with either King or Penny being dropped because to me the left side of our team is virtually a non existent attacking threat and its also a defensive liability, the problem we have is a lack of strength in depth in the backs as ive always said that Paul Johnson is a right sided 2nd rower and Chris Bridge to me is an out and out stand off so we have little other options in the centres.

Paul Johnson has good pace for a 2nd rower but not for a back, Jimmy Lowes has to be careful here as to what precedent he sets for our players performance wise because to me Matt King`s performances have simply not been good enough since he arrived.

The coach has to make a stance at some point and say to a player that your performances are not good enough to be selected for the 1st team, Matt King has never been dropped or subbed yet due to his poor performances and its about time that he was judged on what he does on the pitch rather than his so called reputation from the NRL. The bloke is an expensive cart horse,

Judging by how poor Catalan were against Huddersfield its possible that both King and Penny could look good against them but to me that would just be papering over the cracks, in the big games our left side simply won`t be good enough especially in defence.

Like i said before Matt King arrived he was playing in a very good Melbourne side where most of the time he would be left with a run in or a close range barge over because of good work from the likes of Cooper Cronk and Greg Inglis, his height was also an asset to the Storm for high kicks. He`s certainly never looked the type of player that will be a creator that can open up defences with nimble footwork and out and out pace. His lack of centre skills was one of the main reasons that he played on the wing for NSW and the Australian test side, again his size and height suited the way that both NSW and the Aussies played the game as he gave them options in the air and also with his size at close range to finish off great team work.

The concerns i have for this season are that Michael Monaghan has no pressure on him to perform, to me he will always be at 7 if fit. The same can be said of Matt King, as long as he is fit i can see him playing as we have little other options at left centre.

The only way i can see that we can replace Monaghan from 7 is to play Micky Higham at scrum half and put Monaghan at 9 to see if he can reproduce his Manly form, with the lack of strength in depth at scrum half i see no other option if you wanted to change things other than put Bridge at 6 and Briers at 7 but thats been tried and it didn`t get us that far.

I don`t have the answers other than to try and find some cheap Quantas deals to return them both back to Aus, economy class of course or excess baggage.

To some extent i agree, although Johnson is not the quickest for a centre. However during the back end of 2007 him and Penny had a good partnership going in the few games they played together. And there was less discussion about Penny's defensive abilities as he had a strong defender in Johnson along side him.

i don't think that's accurate about 07, i'm pretty sure that johnners was done for the season before penny got in the side, i may be wrong but thats what i recall.

Johnson played centre on four occasions alongside Penny in 2007. SLStats isn't always great at showing which wing a player is on, but we should probably assume they were on the same side.

When Penny scored 2 against Hudds, and 3 against Salford, Johnson was at centre.

i thought johnson was out injured from early may, whichever was the second time we played saints down here when he got kicked in the head by sculthorpe.

Quote Dave T="Dave T"Johnson played centre on four occasions alongside Penny in 2007. SLStats isn't always great at showing which wing a player is on, but we should probably assume they were on the same side. When Penny scored 2 against Hudds, and 3 against Salford, Johnson was at centre.'" In those games you mention Paul Johnson was only up against Shane Elford and Kevin McGuinness, neither of those 2 are any great shakes and neither are blessed with pace. Here are Paul Johnsons stats for 2007, just click view by the side of any game to see the stats of a particular game. www.slstats.org/p283/Paul%20John ... #Year_2007

Quote Dave T="Dave T"Johnson played centre on four occasions alongside Penny in 2007. SLStats isn't always great at showing which wing a player is on, but we should probably assume they were on the same side. When Penny scored 2 against Hudds, and 3 against Salford, Johnson was at centre.'" In those games you mention Paul Johnson was only up against Shane Elford and Kevin McGuinness, neither of those 2 are any great shakes and neither are blessed with pace. Here are Paul Johnsons stats for 2007, just click view by the side of any game to see the stats of a particular game. www.slstats.org/p283/Paul%20John ... #Year_2007

Quote Rob Wire="Rob Wire"In those games you mention Paul Johnson was only up against Shane Elford and Kevin McGuinness, neither of those 2 are any great shakes and neither are blessed with pace. Here are Paul Johnsons stats for 2007, just click view by the side of any game to see the stats of a particular game. www.slstats.org/p283/Paul%20John ... #Year_2007'" Yep, used that side to quote the stats I did. I wasn't advocating Johnson in the centre (in fact, quite the opposite if you look back at my previous quotes), I was simply clarifying one of Cat' points. Cat - Johnson's last game that year was in mid July - Round 20...

Quote Rob Wire="Rob Wire"In those games you mention Paul Johnson was only up against Shane Elford and Kevin McGuinness, neither of those 2 are any great shakes and neither are blessed with pace. Here are Paul Johnsons stats for 2007, just click view by the side of any game to see the stats of a particular game. www.slstats.org/p283/Paul%20John ... #Year_2007'" Yep, used that side to quote the stats I did. I wasn't advocating Johnson in the centre (in fact, quite the opposite if you look back at my previous quotes), I was simply clarifying one of Cat' points. Cat - Johnson's last game that year was in mid July - Round 20...

Henry was definitely at centre for part of the game against Salford, 'cause I remember him setting up one of Kev's with a Ronaldinho'esque pass.