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Quote: TheButcher "I don't see it as overly ruthless. The new management came in with a plan and I'm sure a top class coach was part of that. They've made no bones about the fact that if anyone does not shape-up to what they want to do they'll be replaced. I don't see it as a knee-jerk reaction, I see it as an inevitability. They would have seemed overly harsh binning PV straight away, and he's had five games to stake his claim. Not long, I'll grant you but certainly long enough to make some progress, which didn't really happen. They are faced with getting a replacement early in the season or halfway through? I just see this sacking as a continuation of wiping the slate clean and bringing in their own people that has happened throughout the Club.

We'll settle down when they are happy, and it's pretty invigorating to be involved in a Club that isn't afraid to make hard decisions. If anyone doubts that they want anything but the best to push the Club forward, they are surely enlightened now.'"




I could not agree more,onward's and upwards.

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The Doctor is getting a lot of critisism about this decision, mainly from opposing fans on forums such as BBC sport. My view is he employs a football director to advise him and the FD obviously thinks a change in required. They are very ambitious so why persevere with a coach that doesn't fit into the plans. If you are building for the future why delay the process by keeping a guy who doesn't fit into those plans? I do genuinely feel for Phil Vievers but I'd feel even more for him if he gave it his all for the next few months only to be shown the door anyway.

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Like most fans I feel sorry for PV, but who is ultimately responsible for that shambolic display on Friday against a mediocre side. I would bring in John Kear as defensive coach and Brian Smith as Head Coach and hopefully retain Longy as attacking Coach.

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Quote: BartonFlyer "Bl00dy Hell - Lance and the Butcher in agreement - truly these are miraculous times
I thought the same myself. It truly is the end of days...

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Quote: theredshed "The Doctor is getting a lot of critisism about this decision, mainly from opposing fans on forums such as BBC sport. My view is he employs a football director to advise him and the FD obviously thinks a change in required. They are very ambitious so why persevere with a coach that doesn't fit into the plans. If you are building for the future why delay the process by keeping a guy who doesn't fit into those plans? I do genuinely feel for Phil Vievers but I'd feel even more for him if he gave it his all for the next few months only to be shown the door anyway.'"


We must be doing something right because as soon as opposing fans start getting their backs up about something unrelated to their own Club it says a lot. Most of the people making noises are the same lot who only believe that with gradual progress any team from outside the top six, after half a dozen years and sufficient toadying. Will then be deemed worthy enough to have the audacity to be considered a contender. How dare we do something different.

At the end of day, if your employer doesn't think your good enough they'll replace you. Don't see why that is hard for some. I like PV. Think he's a decent bloke. But we all know he wasn't really good enough to bring us on, we just hoped he'd click because we all like him.

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Quote: middleman "not wanting to heap any pressure on Phil Veivers , but with the sort of names & money mentioned . and with the likes of Brian Smith , Brian McClennan out there without a club , how long before the pressure to put a named Coach in charge that will attract named players become the inevitable?
If we aim to afford a Jamie Soward for 2014 , then why not a Tim Sheens ?'"


When I posted this on 26th Feb I didn't expect it to be as prophetic in 5 days

On reflection Veivers chances of being retained at the the end of the season were minimal , not down to recent results , just down to what's written above, they ( Chalmers & Lowe ) were over here to watch the last two games HKR & Broncos then fly back to NZ and were going to make the decsion at some time this season , why not now ?
They've already admitted they plan to restructure the club from top to bottom , a third of the cuurent squad out of contract at the end of the season are unlikely to be retained. not point trying to keep sweet a squad they are not happy with, no point bringing in new players under a coach they were unlikely to retain .

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I was thinking after the London game , how can we be so different after the KR match! This time last year we had a stronger squad and weren't doing any better.
The Doc has his mind set on whats best for the club and wants success. Maybe this ruthlessness is what we have been missing for a long , long time. He aint been successful in his past ventures by being Mr. nice guy!!

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Maybe the shocking performance on Friday is partially down to layers having a good idea PV was on his way.

Would hope for a new coach to be brought in before new players as I'm never a big fan of anyone other than the head coach bringing in players.

I think most of us would hope got an English coach but I can only see one being brought in until the end of the season, a Kear or Noble type would do me. I saw someone mention Edwards earlier in this thread and I'd love him to come back to RL as think he'd make a world class coach.

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Was only a matter of time til Vievers went. Surprised by the speed of it but in the long run it will turn out for the best.

Despite the terrible off season it was frustrating to see the same mistakes being made on the field, mainly no line speed in defence, not being able to defend kicks and having to suffer Howarth at 9 every week.

Interesting to see Hunte put in temporary charge over Long. A nod towards youth development or just a case of him being at the club longer?

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Where did the talk of a new full back come from?? something we deffo need !!!

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Quote: applehead "Where did the talk of a new full back come from?? something we deffo need !!!'"



Koukash said on Saturday that we'd almost agreed a deal to sign a fullback.

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Quote: applehead "Maybe this ruthlessness is what we have been missing for a long , long time. He aint been successful in his past ventures by being Mr. nice guy!!'"


I think a good example of an ambitious club with money not being ruthless was Warrington a few years back with Paul Cullen. You could cut the guy in half and he would bleed Warrington but he wasn't the guy to take them to the next level. They then made the decision to bring Tony Smith in (love him or loathe him) and the rest is history.

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Quote: RED LEAGUE "Where did the talk of a new full back come from?? something we deffo need !!!'"



Koukash said on Saturday that we'd almost agreed a deal to sign a fullback.'"


Thanks for the info.

Just been reading Paul Anderson and Tony Smiths comments regarding PV. " A rash decision from people with no history in the game" ?? Someone should inform them that the likes of Ed Farish and Graham Lowe are now employed by the Dr.
Seems our doings and dealings are ruffling feathers throughout. So be it I say. Seems to be sinking in now that we mean business and the Salford City Reds are slowly but surely rising icon_biggrin.gif

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Did Tony Smith think about Paul Cullen when he accepted job at Wire?

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